Civ3 1.29 beta 2

[tao]

Tertium datur: user error.

Babylon will build a bank in 2 turns. This suggests, that you already have accumulated quite some shields. If you got any of these shields from

1. cutting forrest
2. hurrying some cheap unit
3. disbanding a unit
   [/list=1] the city cannot build any wonder or palace.

 

[tao]

Removed. Server was acting up.

 

[n8mac]

DOPE! You learn something new every day. I have been disbanding pikeman after building musketman. I didn't think the game determined how past shields were aquired.
SORRY ABOUT THE POST, PLEASE DISREGARD MY LAST POST.

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by n8mac
DOPE! You learn something new every day. I have been disbanding pikeman after building musketman.

Strange thing to do!

Why not upgrade the pikes to muskets and build something else? It's usually more cost effective to upgrade an old unit than to build a new one from scratch. That's why the experts all disconnect resources to build older units and then reconnect to upgrade them. You don't get very good value if you disband units.

 

[fasces]

Hot keys use qwerty layout even though OS is set as Dvorak. I sort of remember this problem during 1.21g beta and final version of that patch fixed this problem.

Any plans to fix this or do I have to live with it?

 

[Von Wichstein]

I feel stupid, but for OSX, but which file do you open to use the 1.29f beta? I've opened the two new files, but I still can't open the Demogame file. Help!!??

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by Von Wichstein
I feel stupid, but for OSX, but which file do you open to use the 1.29f beta? I've opened the two new files, but I still can't open the Demogame file. Help!!??

Do you mean you want to open an existing scenario, or a previous game file? If you are trying to load a Democracy Game, I haven't tried before, but I just downloaded one I found called Turn 9, for a Romans game about 1365 AD. I put the downloaded game file in the Saves folder in my standard Civ3 1.29 game folder and used Load Game to start it up. It opened and ran OK.

 

[j0nkatz]

Originally posted by Brad Oliver


Not quite. As it happens, you've got an LCD with a maximum resolution of 1440x900. You can't support a resolution greater than that, but you can use any that are less, even if they're the wrong aspect ratio. In other words, the vertical resolution of 1024 is greater than 900, so you need to pick one that fits in both directions. I'll add all those iMac flatscreen resolutions back into the app for the next build so this won't be a problem in the future.

Hello!
This is my first post.
Brad, I'd just like to say thank you for the time you have put into working on the Mac patches.

Yes those oddball resolutions would be greatly appreciated for us Powerbook users.

 

[fasces]

Is it just me or did the beta patch disable the CD check? Would it count as a bug or new feature?

 

[stridder44]

I dont mean to be pushy or ungreatful (cuz Im not...Im VERY greatful you did this much), but I was just curious if you were still working on the 1.29 patch.

 

[puffyn]

I also, not wishing to be pushy, but desiring to let Brad know that his hard work will be appreciated by a large number of individuals, would like to see a build of the 1.29 beta which supports odd-shaped resolutions.

My girlfriend just got a new 17" iMac you see, and unpatched-Civ looks so beautiful on all that screen space, but we need to use the patched version to play GOTM... and I do not believe it is proper to cramp the glorious Korean empire into my old screen.

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by stridder44
I dont mean to be pushy or ungreatful (cuz Im not...Im VERY greatful you did this much), but I was just curious if you were still working on the 1.29 patch.

Let's see, the only real issue left is this screen resolution thing, right? If so, then yeah, I should be able to bang out a final version of the patch within the next 2 weeks.

 

[stridder44]

Originally posted by puffyn
My girlfriend just got a new 17" iMac you see, and unpatched-Civ looks so beautiful on all that screen space, but we need to use the patched version to play GOTM... and I do not believe it is proper to cramp the glorious Korean empire into my old screen.

Your girlfriend isn't the only one with a beautful 17 inch iMac...I have the same thing.

So 2 weeks eh? Wow, awsome. Thank you so much! We all owe you man!

 

[sirromdivad]

Brad, you're the best! I recently got a 17" PB and it'll be sooooooo nice to have a full-screen civ3! (It's the same resolution as the 17" iMacs, right? 1440 x 900 ?)

--sirromdivad

 

[stridder44]

yup

 

[NoMan]

I installed the beta2 patch for the first time last night and had a Unexpected quit crash within the first few turns. Sorry but I don't have any saved games. I haven't tried to run it again. This is a completely unmodded game, standard map, pretty much all the default settings. I can't remember the last time I had a crash with 1.21, maybe never (the previous crash log entry was from November).

I do run the game with no CD, but with a mounted disk image named "Civilization III"

The crash log follows.

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Date/Time: 2003-10-05 21:40:05 -0700
OS Version: 10.2.6 (Build 6L60)
Host: XXXX Computer.local.

Command: Civilization III
PID: 1475

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000002

Thread 0:
#0 0x90073c08 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg
#2 0x90229cf8 in SwitchContexts
#3 0x902245a0 in YieldToThread
#4 0x001b7df4 in MS_RampSound(void *, int, int, unsigned long)
#5 0x00258984 in Sound::ramp(int, int, unsigned int)
#6 0x0031a1f4 in DiplomacyWin::show(int)
#7 0x0026a304 in Win::set_modal(int, int (*)(void), Win *)
#8 0x0031acb0 in startDiplomacy__12DiplomacyWinF17DiploCommentTypesiibbbP24CLin
#9 0x00303f40 in LeaderAI::AI_borderWarning(int)
#10 0x00384790 in 0x384790
#11 0x002f7910 in gameUpkeep(void)
#12 0x002f7c6c in control_game(bool)
#13 0x002cb148 in Civilization3::run(int, int, bool)
#14 0x003885fc in WinMain
#15 0x001b5048 in main

Thread 1:
#0 0x90073c08 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg
#2 0x901489f0 in __CFRunLoopRun
#3 0x90180f58 in CFRunLoopRunSpecific
#4 0x94d9c1c0 in HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*)
#5 0x94d911b0 in CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
#6 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 2:
#0 0x9003ea08 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e824 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x9023b550 in TimerThread
#4 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 3:
#0 0x9003ea08 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e824 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90247ecc in AsyncFileThread(void*)
#4 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 4:
#0 0x9003ea08 in semaphore_wait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e824 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x90232754 in TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon
#3 0x90233094 in DeferredTaskThread
#4 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 5 Crashed:
#0 0x91fd6460 in SetMovieVolume_priv
#1 0x9023b180 in CooperativeThread
#2 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 6:
#0 0x900425e8 in semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap
#1 0x9003e814 in _pthread_cond_wait
#2 0x94d83ac4 in CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long)
#3 0x94d832b0 in CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long)
#4 0x94d822e0 in XThreadedDevice::IOThread()
#5 0x94d95a24 in XThreadedDevice::IOThreadEntry(void*)
#6 0x94d911b0 in CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*)
#7 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

Thread 7:
#0 0x90073c08 in mach_msg_trap
#1 0x90005ed0 in mach_msg
#2 0x90229cf8 in SwitchContexts
#3 0x902245a0 in YieldToThread
#4 0x9022a158 in YieldToAnyThread
#5 0x001b6b34 in rampEntry
#6 0x9023b180 in CooperativeThread
#7 0x90020c88 in _pthread_body

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x91fd6460 srr1: 0x0000d030 vrsave: 0x00000000
xer: 0x20000000 lr: 0x001b6b64 ctr: 0x92028e38 mq: 0x00000000
r0: 0x00000000 r1: 0xf0407df0 r2: 0x001b6b64 r3: 0x00000002
r4: 0x00000000 r5: 0x00000000 r6: 0x00000020 r7: 0x000067cf
r8: 0x00000000 r9: 0x00000002 r10: 0x91fd644c r11: 0x92028e40
r12: 0xa1f78e40 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000
r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x00000000 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0x00000000
r28: 0x005eb1e9 r29: 0x01f8b7e0 r30: 0x005eb1e9 r31: 0x00000002
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[milomilo]

A question, the answer to which I think I'm not going to like: so yeah, it's good to be caught up with the pc-folk, in terms of versions, and wake all is nice and fortify all is nice too. All very nice. But what about move all?? (Or, move all units of the same type, whatever.) This was perhaps the most important feature improvement in the pc v1.29. It made industrial-age wars okay to sit through. Please tell me this feature is there, there's a keystroke-combination I'm ignorant of. 'Cause if not I'd say we don't have real version parity.

Don't get me wrong: I don't mean to sound ungrateful, even though I do. It's great that these new verrsions have been made, and I appreciate that they've been done for free. I'm just asking if the feature is secretly there and, if it's not, requesting it be added in a future revision.

Forget PTW, forget Conquests. I just want group move!

 

[Brad Oliver]

Originally posted by milomilo
This was perhaps the most important feature improvement in the pc v1.29. It made industrial-age wars okay to sit through. Please tell me this feature is there, there's a keystroke-combination I'm ignorant of. 'Cause if not I'd say we don't have real version parity.

If it's supposed to be in Mac 1.29 but isn't, then that's clearly a mistake. If someone can confirm the omission (and let me know what you'd normally do to activate it) then I'll fix it.

 

[AlanH]

Originally posted by milomilo
Forget PTW, forget Conquests. I just want group move!

Command-J works fine here to move all the units in a stack of one type.

Warning: they all remember where you asked them to move to, even if they have different numbers of move points left on this turn. They'll go as far as they can this time and then make or complete the move automatically in the next turn(s). This can split your stack.

I don't think there are many PC shortcuts missing from the Mac version, though I seem to recall that one of the PC versions has a shortcut for moving a whole stack of multiple unit types, but I haven't found that on the Mac. Command is the clover-leaf key, and replaces the Control key for several of the shortcuts on the Mac.

 

[Vista]

So Brad with the new patch that you have coming (final) will Civ3 operate in full screen on my 20" cinema screen from Apple (1680X1050) I think?