Civ4 Warlords - OT game?

[IglooDame]

Here's a simple solution, I am not going to log into the game again, thankyou everybody for the game, I look forward to the next one when the server being used for the other game is free, plase put my civ on A.I for the rest of the game.

Sorry this became a problem, like I said I didn't think there was a problem. IglooDude - you know where to look to see discussion between me and Sparta, I didn't think he and BCLG were planning anything against me, I've exchanged PM's with him regarding intel on BCLG's cities.

I think it's fairest if I stop playing and the turn is rolled back and my civ switched to A.I. for the rest of the game.

Davo,
I'm hoping you won't quit the game, though I suppose since giving away everything you could was the nearest thing to it anyway. And I am not going to look in that discussion area, because it would likely be unfair to Sparta at least over the long term anyway. What I would ask is that you try and find a human replacement player (preferably one that will follow your alliances and deals in the short term at least), as making your civ an AI isn't necessarily fair to your neighbors and/or allies.

 

[BCLG100]

I echo ID's sentiments davo, i didnt want you to quit the game, i wanted you to have left obviously but id prefer if you went down fighting.

 

[azzaman333]

Thats fairly amazing as they were attacking elohir with axes whereas i finished off attacking ed with maces, ohwell guess the army can be exactly the same naturally i wouldnt build anything and just rest on my laurels whilst offering other people vassalage to simply annoy the other players.

I had valuable info to gain from that vassalage. Info that proved your alliance with ID and VRCW. There is no need to hide the fact that you have been gifted many axes and hwachas by your allies.

Just remember, I have a much better economy than you, I can outproduce you easily. I am able to build a large army in a short time should I feel like it. My advice, don't tempt fate.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Davo,
I'm hoping you won't quit the game, though I suppose since giving away everything you could was the nearest thing to it anyway. And I am not going to look in that discussion area, because it would likely be unfair to Sparta at least over the long term anyway. What I would ask is that you try and find a human replacement player (preferably one that will follow your alliances and deals in the short term at least), as making your civ an AI isn't necessarily fair to your neighbors and/or allies.

No ones gonna want to take over purely to be slaughtered. I'll go through the motions if you want, just make a descion on whats going to happen.

 

[BCLG100]

I had valuable info to gain from that vassalage. Info that proved your alliance with ID and VRCW. There is no need to hide the fact that you have been gifted many axes and hwachas by your allies.

Just remember, I have a much better economy than you, I can outproduce you easily. I am able to build a large army in a short time should I feel like it. My advice, don't tempt fate.

If you say so.

 

[IglooDame]

No ones gonna want to take over purely to be slaughtered. I'll go through the motions if you want, just make a descion on whats going to happen.

The game is reloaded and up, rolled back to the last recoverysave that makes sense - unfortunately I didn't notice earlier that Sparta had logged in since he'd accepted the mass-city gift, so I couldn't use his or RB's for the same reason, so it's back to the beginning of VRWC's login, with 18hrs to go on the turn.

Davo, you have a PM.

 

[bhsup]

Okay, I've gone. Can I get a clarification though on the unit gifting? Allowed, banned?

 

[Whomp]

Allowed.

If you want to put a restriction on it then say you can't trade them back. This will discourage a lot of unit trading.

 

[Raisin Bran]

Allowed.

If you want to put a restriction on it then say you can't trade them back. This will discourage a lot of unit trading.

BTW ... unit Gifting should be allowed but No giving back the units afterwards. I run a agressive Leader and its concidered to be an exploit if one of my allies gives me a unit (I get free promotions) and I gift it back afterwards, regardeless of the turns between the gifting. I gave some units to allies and I got some that were gifted to me from my allies but I did not accept to get the units back and I wont give gifted units back.

 

[Sparta]

FWIW, I hadn't meant that as an exploit or anything either. I'd thought about it for a while before even accepting, as it would have been no picnic for my civ either - BCLG would shortly capture two out of the three cities anyway, and thus I'd be dragged into a war out of the blue and hit with a ton of war weariness immediately on top of it. I guess I personally hadn't viewed it as unsportsmanlike (as I'd thought of it as similar to vassalage); I'm sorry if it was commonly perceived that way though. I didn't mean to bend the rules or anything; it was just a very unusual scenario, so I didn't realize it was that questionable. I'm fine with the reset (of course) as well.

As to prior discussions of this war though, it was pretty clear (and even clearer now) that you were going to roll over Davo pretty handily, BCLG, given that you're working with three civs' armies against one. I didn't have much choice in that at all, so I was making an effort to negotiate a fair defensive position for myself at the outcome if I could do it, assuming the result was essentially a foregone conclusion. I hadn't committed to actually helping your taking those three cities, nor would you have needed it. I've actually had an army sitting in place for days, waiting to see if I could somehow avoid pulling the trigger on that in the first place, depending on how things developed.

(Also, FWIW, I'm going to try to take my turn after work tomorrow if I can, which will unfortunately be very late in the new turn cycle (hopefully still in time though). I'm not up to anything fishy, and won't move anything the next turn if I'm last (not that it would affect anything anyway), but I'm just giving a heads up now. Sorry if it causes any delay.)

 

[Kemal]

Just a FYI to everyone, I have officially taken over from Matrix now until he returns... and after logging on this morning, I see my first few moves have already been in vain after the backup restore performed by ID wiped them away again.

Oh well, can't hurt to have had a few practice pitboss turns, as a newcomer to this specific multiplayer format (being used to playing PBEMs for multiplayer).

 

[IglooDame]

Okay, gang, I think we need a rule vote then.

On unit un-gifting (i.e. being eventually returned to the gifter, even via a third civ): Allowed, or not?

Un-gifting allowed:
ID, BCLG, VRWC, Kan
Un-gifting illegal:
RB, HAK, Azza
Also, since the game has been played up till now with the understanding that un-gifting would be allowed, I'd propose that what everyone has now be grandfathered, i.e. the current owner is in effect the original owner - VRWC and I, at least, gifted units under the understanding that they could be returned (and as BCLG isn't Aggressive-traited, no exploit issue there).

Existing units are grandfathered, if the above rule modification is approved? (Folks voting "allowed" above are assumed to abstain here unless they tell me otherwise)

Yes to grandfathering:
ID, VRWC, BCLG, Kan
Nay to grandfathering:
RB, HAK, Azza
Abstain:

 

[BCLG100]

I think unit gifting is perfectly ok and should be allowed, allies are expected to defend each other in times of war.

 

[Raisin Bran]

gifting units .... yea!

Un-gifting .... Nay

 

[IglooDame]

gifting units .... yea!

Un-gifting .... Nay

Grandfathering?

 

[Raisin Bran]

Grandfathering?

If I understand correctly : Nay to un-gifting

and if grandfathering means that the actual owner of the units is considered the original owner I say Nay

I mean that it would be unfair to agressive leaders who listen to the original rules that it was a exploit for someone to gift units to a agressive leader and get them back with promotions added ... regardless of the number of turns in between teh gifting - un-gifting.

cuz I did follow that rule!

 

[bhsup]

Yes to un-gifting. Yes to grandfathered if ungifting fails (I guess that's why you're asking about grandfathering?).

 

[IglooDame]

Yes to un-gifting. Yes to grandfathered if ungifting fails (I guess that's why you're asking about grandfathering?).

Yeah, exactly.

 

[ComradeDavo]

Guys, I regard civ as a game a play for fun and I regarded those gifts to Sparta as a piece of fun, it's a shame everyone got so worked up about it and i'd like us to move on and not let it effect the next Civor game we play!

 

[BCLG100]

Add me to grandfathering as well then if need be

Also apologies davo if i came across as too strong.