[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Discussion Thread

[Linklite]

I completely disagree. Everything involved in the experience should be reflected in the rating. A company whose games are delivered broken on delivery should rightfully see that reflected in their game reviews. Same goes for pricing, if it contains annoyingly cumbersome login requirements, etc.

Edit: besides, Steam already flags review bombing. You can see the ratings with and without review bombings included.

Also, I wouldn't count this as review bombing. Review Bombing is usually coordinated to some degree.

In a week's time, what does a prospective buyer care about a rocky launch? What matters is what they're getting. If Firaxis does nothing then sure, give a negative review. However, giving negative reviews for a temporary situation is less than helpful - and the reverse is true, people shouldn't be giving positive reviews just because it's free either.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Is his LUA working now? Someone said earlier that it wasn't.

Either it was a bug specific to that user, or it has indeed been fixed.

I have not had any issues with his LUA - it's been a blast for helping to secure an early position on a higher difficulty.

I want to say it was while playing with Barbarian Clans game mode enabled. I could be wrong though.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

When Abe's angry at you, he shakes his hat at you. furiously

 

[Donny Hayes]

I don't sleep for waiting and still nothing. perfect job

 

[Disgustipated]

When Abe's angry at you, he shakes his hat at you. furiously

I wish I could play him.

 

[queenpea]

I'm making an educated guess that you will not actually "get" the Pass, but rather be eligible for a free upgrade to Anthology that includes it at no extra cost.

I think you're right, but I get the (fun) new error message when trying to add the pass to my account for $0.

 

[Linklite]

I just had an image of him slamming his hat down and jumping on it in a rage.

It's now really bugging me where that's from, some kids cartoon. Elmer Fudd?

 

[AntSou]

In a week's time, what does a prospective buyer care about a rocky launch? What matters is what they're getting. If Firaxis does nothing then sure, give a negative review. However, giving negative reviews for a temporary situation is less than helpful - and the reverse is true, people shouldn't be giving positive reviews just because it's free either.

It doesn't matter what happens in the future, but your experience at the time you write the review. I rarely give reviews, but the only negative ones I've left were for games I never touched again. Some of these people might not return, others might change their rating. It's up to each individual person what constitutes a "sufficient trigger" for writing a negative review. Since those are reflected in all games anyway, it all evens out (a person who is quick to leave negative reviews here is also likely to do so in other games).

Besides, people who don't have access are not reviewing it since you can only review games you own, right? So many of these reviewers might actually have paid for it? It makes no sense to me to set demands on other people's patience.

 

[Zaarin]

I just had an image of him slamming his hat down and jumping on it in a rage.

It's now really bugging me where that's from, some kids cartoon. Elmer Fudd?

Caesar makes a virtually identical sound, too, though it's a little less unsettling coming from him.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I have no idea whether I’ll be able to play it when I get home from work or not.

 

[Linklite]

It doesn't matter what happens in the future, but your experience at the time you write the review. I rarely give reviews, but the only negative ones I've left were for games I never touched again. Some of these people might not return, others might change their rating. It's up to each individual person what constitutes a "sufficient trigger" for writing a negative review. Since those are reflected in all games anyway, it all evens out (a person who is quick to leave negative reviews here is also likely to do so in other games).

Besides, people who don't have access are not reviewing it since you can only review games you own, right? So many of these reviewers might actually have paid for it? It makes no sense to me to set demands on other people's patience.

It does matter, because the intent of reviews isn't to provide an outlet for your frustration. They're there to help guide future buyers, either to reassure them that it's a quality product worth buying...or to warn them of a bad product. If it's only a temporary set back (or boon)...then it's worse than useless as a review, because it is telling people it's a bad product, when it's not, it's been fixed (or at least will be). If it isn't fixed...then go ahead, warn people it's broken.

If you're just angry and looking to vent, do something more productive. Write an angry email to Firaxis or complain on social media. Leaving a bad review because your free content didn't arrive for a day after release is not helpful and is a big reason why customer reviews aren't reliable - too often, they're reviewing the wrong thing.

 

[Donny Hayes]

2K Launcher still says 3 of 3 owned

 

[Linklite]

That's interesting, mine says 3 of 4, and has done for an hour or two now. Perhaps there is some kind of rollout.

 

[Donny Hayes]

That's interesting, mine says 3 of 4, and has done for an hour or two now. Perhaps there is some kind of rollout.

it was also, but now 3of3

 

[AriochIV]

It does matter, because the intent of reviews isn't to provide an outlet for your frustration. They're there to help guide future buyers, either to reassure them that it's a quality product worth buying...or to warn them of a bad product. If it's only a temporary set back (or boon)...then it's worse than useless as a review, because it is telling people it's a bad product, when it's not, it's been fixed (or at least will be). If it isn't fixed...then go ahead, warn people it's broken.

If you're just angry and looking to vent, do something more productive. Write an angry email to Firaxis or complain on social media. Leaving a bad review because your free content didn't arrive for a day after release is not helpful and is a big reason why customer reviews aren't reliable - too often, they're reviewing the wrong thing.

Most people leave reviews to vent their anger, or express their joy, not for the benefit of prospective buyers. Whether we think that's good or bad is irrelevant; that's the way it is, and I don't think there's any way to change it.

People are smart enough to decide for themselves what the value of angry user reviews are. Maybe it's not valuable for a game's review score to be dragged down by backlash from a bad launch.... but then, maybe developers should invest more effort into not having a bad launch. This one was obviously done on the cheap; it's every platform that's having problems, not just Steam.

For the record, I'm not particularly angry... I had very low expectations for this content, since adding new leaders is just about the least impactful thing you can do in terms of gameplay, and when I saw the note that it would be free to owners of all the previous DLC, I had a pretty good idea that wouldn't go seamlessly. But do I feel sorry for Firaxis/2K? I don't see why I would.

 

[Disgustipated]

can confirm Eagle Pursuit's trick allowed me to play the new leaders.

 

[Linklite]

Most people leave reviews to vent their anger, or express their joy, not for the benefit of prospective buyers. Whether we think that's good or bad is irrelevant; that's the way it is, and I don't think there's any way to change it.

People are smart enough to decide for themselves what the value of angry user reviews are. Maybe it's not valuable for a game's review score to be dragged down by backlash from a bad launch.... but then, maybe developers should invest more effort into not having a bad launch. This one was obviously done on the cheap; it's every platform that's having problems, not just Steam.

For the record, I'm not particularly angry... I had very low expectations for this content, since adding new leaders is just about the least impactful thing you can do in terms of gameplay, and when I saw the note that it would be free to owners of all the previous DLC, I had a pretty good idea that wouldn't go seamlessly. But do I feel sorry for Firaxis/2K? I don't see why I would.

Should Firaxis do better? Absolutely, and there are ways of making that known.

Should I be annoyed by people leaving bad reviews for poor reasons? Well, that depends on your philosophy, but it's certainly deserved. It makes my life harder trying to sort out the good stuff from the bad, and as such provides cover for bad behaviour and ironically ends up promoting the very things they're angry about.

Can it be changed? Yes. Not by me by myself, but by instructing others, and them instructing others and so forth, not by defending the behaviour. Everyone should feel free to review the company negatively, this is part of dealing with them. It's not like as if they've done perfectly in the past. But the product? It's just muddying the waters, making things harder to discern, and that's actually allowing poor behaviour, because when products that actually deserve criticism come out...the reviews warning about it are worthless.

 

[Linklite]

can confirm Eagle Pursuit's trick allowed me to play the new leaders.

What trick is that? I must have missed it.

 

[Zaarin]

What trick is that? I must have missed it.

This one: https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...t-you-have-all-the-dlcs.680571/#post-16371375

 

[AriochIV]

Can it be changed? Yes. Not by me by myself, but by instructing others, and them instructing others and so forth, not by defending the behaviour.

I think you rather overestimate the degree to which adults appreciate being "instructed."