[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[AaronTBD]

If Civ 7, or another season pass, gets to about 60 civs how about all 3 of them (Assyria, Babylon and Sumer)?

Hittites and Hurrian would be great too!

 

[SirMediocrity]

If Civ 7, or another season pass, gets to about 60 civs how about all 3 of them (Assyria, Babylon and Sumer)?

...Hittites, Elam, Mitanni, Medes, Nairi, Akkad, Saba, Lydia, Yamhad, Arzawa...

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I was thinking about other imperial Roman leaders and how they could differentiate from the usual War And Infrastructure focus. Like, Vespasian could be focused on gold and wonders. Marcus Aurelius could have a cultural focus. Constantine could have a religion and war focus (basically similar design that we got with Basil).

If we want a Republican Rome leader, Cicero wouldn't be a terrible choice, though he is also from the aforementioned tire fire era. Cincinnatus seems an obvious choice as well. Scipio Africanus.

There are Mod Roman alternate leaders for Hadrian, Caesar and Marcus Aurelius already, so there is at least an opportunity to check out the Imperial Alternatives.

For Republican Rome, be careful about going for leaders that are almost entirely military like Marius or Scipio Africanus: compared to the potential for the Republic, they can wind up pretty one-sided unless the Civ itself has attributes that complement the strictly military.
Aside from Cincinnatus, some good choices could be:
Lucius Junius Brutus - the 'official' First Consul of Rome
Tiberius Gracchus and/or Gaius Gracchus - the "Gracchii Brothers" were the great reformers of the republic, even though the conservative oligarchy managed to assassinate the one and drive the other to suicide. We could have both of them as a Trung-type pair or a very Republican Roman pair of Consuls.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla the winner of the first Roman Civil War and the antithesis of the Gracchi who reaffirmed the primacy of the Senate and the Senatorial class.

Marius would be better as a Great General: his military reforms virtually defined the Republican and Imperial Roman Army for the next quarter of a millenium if not longer. I would be tempted to make him a General who, when retired, automatically Upgraded every Melee unit within his radius, which would show something of his actual historical effect.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ What about Cincinatus. a man whom his name became an American settlement in Ohio valley almost two millena later.

 

[Zaarin]

Elam is probably one of the most underappreciated Mesopotamian Bronze-Age powers. It lasted for a really long time, too.

Yes! I'm very much not joking about Elam. Of all the Mesopotamian and para-Mesopotamian civs outside the Big Three I think it has the strongest arguments for inclusion--not only its longevity but also its success in resisting Babylo-Assyrian cultural (and military) hegemony to a much greater extent than most civilizations of the region--and I've wanted to see it in game for a long time.

...Hittites, Elam, Mitanni, Medes, Nairi, Akkad, Saba, Lydia, Yamhad, Arzawa...

I'll take one of each.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

^ What about Cincinatus. a man whom his name became an American settlement in Ohio valley almost two millena later.

Lucuis Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Lucius the Curly-Haired") was suggested by others, but I'm not so sure. His most famous 'attribute' is voluntarily giving up supreme power when an emergency was over, which is why he's considered an example of 'civic virtue' and got a city named after him. However, the 'emergencies' he reacted to were mostly Internal: plebians demanding that the Roman Laws be written down so that they could not be prosecuted at the whim of the patricians, or to put down civil unrest within Rome. His one reaction to an 'external' threat is now considered by many historians to be probably spurious - added to his narrative by later Romans to maintain his reputation as an example of virtue rather than as an example of a murderous reactionary tool of his own class.
His name is well enough known that Firaxis would probably still consider him, but I suggest that his Unique might be that he can swap out Social Policy cards at will rather than wait for a specific turn, representing the fact that he took power as a Dictator essentially superceding the usual restrictions of Roman Law in his actions.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

...Hittites, Elam, Mitanni, Medes, Nairi, Akkad, Saba, Lydia, Yamhad, Arzawa...

Let's not torture @bite.

 

[Zaarin]

Let's not torture @bite.

There's plenty of room if you zoom in close enough.

 

[sweetbrown89]

I think we all need to step back and look at the pattern of how all Civs from Civ V have been carried forward in one of 3 ways

1: Direct Representation
- Vanilla: America, England, Egypt, Japan, China, Aztecs, France, Brazil, Germany, Spain, India, Greece, Arabia
- DLC: Poland, Persia, Indonesia
- Rise & Fall: Korea, Netherlands, Mongolia, Zulu
- Gathering Storm: Inca, Sweden, Ottomans
- New Frontier: Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantium, Babylon

2: Slant Representation (similar or historically close civilization substitutes)
- Vanilla: Scythia for Huns, Norway for Denmark, Sumeria for Assyria
- Gathering Storm: Hungary for Austria, Mäori for Polynesia, Mali for Songhai, Phoenicia for Carthage
- New Frontier: Gaul for Celts — and if the leak is true, Vietnam for Siam

3: City-State Representation: Fez for Morocco, Lisbon for Portugal, Venice...for Venice

So this comes to the last slant representations for North America: Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) and Shoshone, it could be a tossup as to who the Cree slant represent, giving hope to the final DLC being SW North America for the Shoshone. Or crushing all hope and making Portugal the last DLC and replacing Lisbon City-State with one representing either the Haudenosaunee or the Shoshone (depending on what Firaxis considers the slant representation of the Cree.)

The new Civs are from previously unaccounted for geographic “diasporas” (using the term loosely) and do not particularly follow a pattern other than being an odd number.
- Vanilla: Kongo
- DLC: Australia, Nubia, Khmer
- Rise & Fall: Georgia, Scotland, Mapuche
- Gathering Storm: Canada
- New Frontier: Gran Colombia

This leads me to assume that there will be no more new Civ regions as of Babylon leaks.

 

[AaronTBD]

and if the leak is true, Vietnam for Siam

I feel the Khmer are more like Siam than Vietnam will be

why was this liked so much?

 

[8housesofelixir]

Sumeria for Assyria

Sumeria by design is basically a Gilgamesh civ, which is something new instead of a substitute, IMHO.

Vietnam for Siam

I would argue Khmer for Siam.

Rise & Fall = Georgia, Scotland, Mapuche

I would also argue Scotland as a, eh, earlier Celt - I don't think FXS had the idea of a Gaul civ when designing R&F; I don't think they have planned ahead that long.

Besides those I generally agree.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

- DLC: Australia, Nubia, Khmer

I'm starting to think that maybe Nubia could be considered a second Northern African civ alongside Egypt, which would mean it is sort of a Morocco replacement, though not from the Maghreb like everyone is, or would be, anticipating.

Sumeria by design is basically a Gilgamesh civ, which is something new instead of a substitute, IMHO.

Considering Assyria was in Civ 5, and Sumeria wasn't, I would say it looks like it will be a replacement.

 

[AaronTBD]

Considering Assyria was in Civ 5, and Sumeria wasn't, I would say it looks like it will be a replacement.

One thing that everyone seemed to forgot about was the fact that Sumeria was actually in Civ 4, along with Babylon

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

One thing that everyone seemed to forgot about was the fact that Sumeria was actually in Civ 4, along with Babylon

Yes it was.
It has seemed like they decided to bring several civs from Civ 4 back: Sumeria, Khmer, and Mali which were effectively replaced by another in Civ 5.

 

[sweetbrown89]

Repost, but modified from suggestions:

In order to discern the remaining Civs, we can start by looking how Civ V empires have been carried forward in one of 4 ways:

1: Direct Representation
- Vanilla: America, England, Egypt, Japan, China, Aztecs, France, Brazil, Germany, Spain, India, Greece, Arabia
- DLC: Poland, Persia, Indonesia
- Rise & Fall: Korea, Netherlands, Mongolia, Zulu
- Gathering Storm: Inca, Sweden, Ottomans
- New Frontier: Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantium, Babylon

2: Slant Representation (similar or historically close civilization substitutes)
- Vanilla: Scythia for Huns, Norway for Denmark, Sumeria for Assyria
- DLC: Khmer for Siam
- Gathering Storm: Hungary for Austria, Mäori for Polynesia, Mali for Songhai, Phoenicia for Carthage
- New Frontier: Gaul for Celts

3: City-State Representation: Fez for Morocco, Lisbon for Portugal, Venice...for Venice

4: Split Representation:
- Macedon from Greece
- Nubia from Egypt
- Scotland from England or Celts

So this comes to the last slant representations for North America: Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) and Shoshone, it could be a tossup as to who the Cree slant represent, giving hope to the final DLC being SW North America for the Shoshone. Or crushing all hope and making Portugal the last DLC and replacing Lisbon City-State with one representing either the Haudenosaunee or the Shoshone (depending on what Firaxis considers the slant representation of the Cree.)

The new Civs are from previously unaccounted for geographic “diasporas” (using the term loosely) and do not particularly follow a pattern other than being between 1-2.

- Vanilla: Kongo
- DLC: Australia
- Rise & Fall: Georgia, Mapuche
- Gathering Storm: Canada
- New Frontier: Gran Colombia, Vietnam

This leads me to assume that there will be no more new Civ regions as of Babylon leaks.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So this comes to the last slant representations for North America: Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) and Shoshone, it could be a tossup as to who the Cree slant represent, giving hope to the final DLC being SW North America for the Shoshone. Or crushing all hope and making Portugal the last DLC and replacing Lisbon City-State with one representing either the Haudenosaunee or the Shoshone (depending on what Firaxis considers the slant representation of the Cree.)

Even if we do get Portugal, I don't see Lisbon being replaced by an Iroquois or Shoshone city-state.

 

[Vilvatiktan]

I don't think Portugal as the last dlc would be plausible, because of these reasons:

1. If there will ever be a Portugal, they might want to release the Portugal dlc first before they add the Pirates scenario. Thus, lacking Portugal in the scenario might be because they won't be in NFP. They might though, make a colonization scenario in the future after a Portugal dlc.
2. Northwestern America is always empty on a TSL game. The region always become the battleground between Monty and Teddy. Thus, the last dlc with Northwestern American civ might be more plausible.
3. It is weird though to not having Portugal in a Civ game. Perhaps that is intentional so there will be another pass or expansion before Civ7

 

[Xandinho]

The fact is that the March Civ will be a very marketable one, I mean, I don't think it will be a new name, see that they launched GC, Gaul and are going to launch Vietnam (presumably) together with another veteran civ or a leader. Portugal fits perfectly in an isolated DLC, but if it's not Portugal, I can only imagine Iroquois and perhaps Austria as marketable close. Among these options, I'd say that Portugal is the most likely.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The fact is that the March Civ will be a very marketable one, I mean, I don't think it will be a new name, see that they launched GC, Gaul and are going to launch Vietnam (presumably) together with another veteran civ or a leader. Portugal fits perfectly in an isolated DLC, but if it's not Portugal, I can only imagine Iroquois and perhaps Austria as marketable close. Among these options, I'd say that Portugal is the most likely.

I think something from North Africa would be more likely than Austria, though I wouldn't necessarily say Morocco would be the most marketable choice.

That being said, if it does turn out to be Portugal, Austria (veteran) can easily be paired with Italy (new) for a second season. Same goes for Iroquois and Navajo or Berbers plus Egyptian leader.

 

[bite]

Let's not torture @bite.

There's plenty of room if you zoom in close enough.

Why must thou torture me