[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

That there being a reason for them to decide against Trung Trac, it may very well have been this: the type of art that exists of Trung Trac is too simplistic for Firaxis artists to base a new model on

Amanitore says hi.

 

[Jeppetto]

Amanitore says hi.

I wanted to reply with Gilgamesh

EDIT: But to be honest at least Gilga has pretty feature-full sculpture

 

[Zaarin]

I wanted to reply with Gilgamesh

EDIT: But to be honest at least Gilga has pretty feature-full sculpture

Yeah, Gilgamesh has the statue...that they chose to ignore entirely to make him look like the Hulk instead. There are no contemporary depictions of Cleopatra, either, but that's okay because Firaxis would have ignored them too for the "Elizabeth Taylor stole Lady Gaga's football helmet" look.

 

[almughavar]

I think you're seriously downplaying the following:

1 - That Firaxis would pass on an obvious female leader for no reason, especially one that has been consistently requested, in a pass which has proved to be mostly fan service;

2 - That there being a reason for them to decide against Trung Trac, it may very well have been this: the type of art that exists of Trung Trac is too simplistic for Firaxis artists to base a new model on;

3 - That being the case they'd ask themselves: "what is the next best thing?", to which Lady Trieu appears as the obvious answer:

That's a lot of fancy stuff on which you can base a unique 3D model.
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I must clarify that these arts belong to the school of "tranh Đông Hồ" (Đông Hồ painting), and generally Đông Hồ paintings are not supposed to be realistic, historical accurate or should be taken at their face value.

On the contrary, the artists who drew Đông Hồ paintings take much artistic liberties, and also incorporated much metaphorical depictions in those arts.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I think you're seriously downplaying the following:

1 - That Firaxis would pass on an obvious female leader for no reason, especially one that has been consistently requested, in a pass which has proved to be mostly fan service;

2 - That there being a reason for them to decide against Trung Trac, it may very well have been this: the type of art that exists of Trung Trac is too simplistic for Firaxis artists to base a new model on;

3 - That being the case they'd ask themselves: "what is the next best thing?", to which Lady Trieu appears as the obvious answer:

That's a lot of fancy stuff on which you can base a unique 3D model.
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The thing is that you have no explanation why they would add her 2 months earlier just to change the name 2 months later though, especially, like I said, everything must be planned out in advance, so literally there is no reason why Trung Trac would be added as a Great General first. Every name change of Great People or City-states have been because something or someone exists in the vanilla version/previous expansion, and a new civ gets released and they have to change it. Again, if they add Trung Trac as a General when they already have plans to make her a leader, that just seems like they are going out of their way just to make an attempt at surprising us about something that was leaked all the way back in July, 6 months before Vietnam's supposed release.

Regarding inspirations for in-game model, everything we know about Lady Six Sky is literally a slab of rock that can barely be made out as a picture of a woman.

 

[Potworny]

Amanitore says hi.

A sculpture that doesn't even seem to come from Sparta says hi.
http://images.fineartamerica.com/im...diumlarge/1/athenian-kore-andonis-katanos.jpg

And I still wonder who the Pete with the alphabet on his clothes from the files is.

 

[Zaarin]

A sculpture that doesn't even seem to come from Sparta says hi.
http://images.fineartamerica.com/im...diumlarge/1/athenian-kore-andonis-katanos.jpg

Aside from the fact that statue is quite detailed, are you sure they based Gorgo on that statue? Because that looks like Kore Persephone (i.e., Persephone the Maiden), and Gorgo appears to be in her 40s at least.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Aside from the fact that statue is quite detailed, are you sure they based Gorgo on that statue? Because that looks like Kore Persephone (i.e., Persephone the Maiden), and Gorgo appears to be in her 40s at least.

Any statue would almost have to come from outside Sparta, because the Spartans were notorious for not producing any art, either poetry, pottery, sculpture, or any other. Spartans were frequent subjects of art, but always produced by Someone Else in Greece.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Aside from the fact that statue is quite detailed, are you sure they based Gorgo on that statue? Because that looks like Kore Persephone (i.e., Persephone the Maiden), and Gorgo appears to be in her 40s at least.

I'm pretty sure that was the statue from the infamous leader leak that everyone thought it was originally Tamar.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm pretty sure that was the statue from the infamous leader leak that everyone thought it was originally Tamar.

Yeah, I know, but not everything on that chart was the direct inspiration for the leader model--e.g., they had this for Gilgamesh, wearing a full tunic with his hair and beard neatly coiffed and his head bare, and instead we got mostly shirtless Hulk Gilgamesh with his hair and beard wild and wearing a weird helmet-crown.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Gilgamesh would definitely have been improved if he greeted you with a lion in a choke hold.

 

[Zaarin]

Gilgamesh would definitely have been improved if he greeted you with a lion in a choke hold.

"I will hug him and pet him and call him Girgis."

 

[8housesofelixir]

Yeah, I know, but not everything on that chart was the direct inspiration for the leader model--e.g., they had this for Gilgamesh, wearing a full tunic with his hair and beard neatly coiffed and his head bare, and instead we got mostly shirtless Hulk Gilgamesh with his hair and beard wild and wearing a weird helmet-crown.

Similarly we roughly know what Scythians dressed like - some Greek vases have Scythian figures on it - they wear long, robe-like garments that cover all of their body parts in order to deal with the weather of the steppes, similar to a Mongolian Deel; on the other hand the in-game Tomyris looks nothing like these.

 

[Zaarin]

Similarly we roughly know what Scythians dressed like - some Greek vases have Scythian figures on it - they wear long, robe-like garments that cover all of their body parts in order to deal with the weather of the steppes, similar to a Mongolian Deel; on the other hand the in-game Tomyris looks nothing like these.

I'd say she was based on this art of a Scythian archer, but with brass (or gilt) scale armor over the leather tunic. Her concept art shows she is wearing a long tunic underneath her haubergeon.

 

[Jeppetto]

A sculpture that doesn't even seem to come from Sparta says hi.
http://images.fineartamerica.com/im...diumlarge/1/athenian-kore-andonis-katanos.jpg

And I still wonder who the Pete with the alphabet on his clothes from the files is.

Even there you can clearly see they took many artistic liberties with the portrayal. For example, the statue has no arms, but in-game Gorgo clearly has hers. It is small details like unmissing arms that stress out the creativity of their own they must put into designing leaders.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Even there you can clearly see they took many artistic liberties with the portrayal. For example, the statue has no arms, but in-game Gorgo clearly has hers. It is small details like unmissing arms that stress out the creativity of their own they must put into designing leaders.

Get out. Shame on you for this horrible, corny joke! No bad faith intended, this is a joke as well.

 

[Potworny]

I'm pretty sure that was the statue from the infamous leader leak that everyone thought it was originally Tamar.

Now I regret that I didn't follow my description with a picture of Tamar. That'd be useless to the discussion, but funnier.

 

[Zaarin]

Now I regret that I didn't follow my description with a picture of Tamar. That'd be useless to the discussion, but funnier.

Have you considered it might be Tamar of Georgia?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Even there you can clearly see they took many artistic liberties with the portrayal. For example, the statue has no arms, but in-game Gorgo clearly has hers. It is small details like unmissing arms that stress out the creativity of their own they must put into designing leaders.

Not to mention it would be historically inaccurate to portray her without arms. Everyone knows that any Spartans that survived to adulthood must posses arms to carry spears and shields otherwise they would have not survived.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Not to mention it would be historically inaccurate to portray her without arms. Everyone knows that any Spartans that survived to adulthood must posses arms to carry spears and shields otherwise they would have not survived.

Have you never heard of Edward Scissorhands??!!