[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[untitledjuan]

3. Thailand (lowest because of the hiccup with Civ5)

What happened with Siam in Civ V?

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But when you have a strictly renaissance France in Humankind, for instance, how does that feel to the French that, despite being a world power, they can never "contemporary?" That they have to adopt an American or Japanese culture to further civilize themselves?

Though I completely agree on you that in Civilization civs try to gather elements from all their historical eras, I think there's just one exception to that, and it is Gran Colombia. I do understand that they wanted to focus it around Simón Bolívar, but they left behind elements from 20th century and modern Colombian and Venezuelan culture. Proof if this is that the city list of Gran Colombia only includes colonial cities, leaving behind considerably larger cities, such as Barranquilla, that were founded in the 19th century after Bolívar's wars. This is also evident in the civ description in the Civilopedia, even lacking any context surrounding the wars that Bolívar fought. This is a problem because it gives the impression that Gran Colombia is a dead civilization, when it actually has continued as modern day Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama and has roots in 16th colonial settlement.

 

[AntSou]

Yeah, I thought the game was already kind of saturated with so many leaders from the Anglosphere.

It is, which is why I think there's more coming. It's not like they weren't aware of it when choosing to over-represent the Anglosphere. Though I accept they might just use Teddy's rework as an Alt and leave it at that.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

What happened with Siam in Civ V?

game got banned because RKH looked like a Thai politician

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

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Though I completely agree on you that in Civilization civs try to gather elements from all their historical eras, I think there's just one exception to that, and it is Gran Colombia. I do understand that they wanted to focus it around Simón Bolívar, but they left behind elements from 20th century and modern Colombian and Venezuelan culture. Proof if this is that the city list of Gran Colombia only includes colonial cities, leaving behind considerably larger cities, such as Barranquilla, that were founded in the 19th century after Bolívar's wars. This is also evident in the civ description in the Civilopedia, even lacking any context surrounding the wars that Bolívar fought. This is a problem because it gives the impression that Gran Colombia is a dead civilization, when it actually has continued as modern day Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama and has roots in 16th colonial settlement.

That's because they specifically wanted to base it around when Bolivar was president before the split into different countries. If they wanted to give it 20th century features they would have probably just named the civ Colombia.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

That's because they specifically wanted to base it around when Bolivar was president before the split into different countries. If they wanted to give it 20th century features they would have probably just named the civ Colombia.

yeah it’s not uncommon for them to do this either with civs. It’s generally a mix of ‘time snapshot’ and ‘grand tour’, depending on the specific civ

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

yeah it’s not uncommon for them to do this either with civs. It’s generally a mix of ‘time snapshot’ and ‘grand tour’, depending on the specific civ

I'm hoping for the grand tour treatment for Ethiopia, especially if Menelik II does turn out to be the leader.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I'm hoping for the grand tour treatment for Ethiopia, especially if Menelik II does turn out to be the leader.

it makes sense to do so, ethiopia is just too big and has too long of a history to not have a grand tour treatment.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

it makes sense to do so, ethiopia is just too big and has too long of a history to not have a grand tour treatment.

I'm fairly confident that the unique infrastructure won't be modern at all. I'm not sure what they would give us besides a classical era stelae or medieval rock-hewn church.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I'm fairly confident that the unique infrastructure won't be modern at all. I'm not sure what they would give us besides a classical era stelae or medieval rock-hewn church.

that’s why i think they should go with the Rock-hewn church, for medieval (although I’d prefer it as a shrine replacement), an axumite unit for ancient and then a civ ability based around the modern era, with menalik and a modern leader ability

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

that’s why i think they should go with the Rock-hewn church, for medieval (although I’d prefer it as a shrine replacement), an axumite unit for ancient and then a civ ability based around the modern era, with menalik and a modern leader ability

I meant historically they were built in Medieval Ethiopia. I'm pretty sure it would be built earlier in game especially if it will be related to the Holy Site.

I vote yes to an Axumite UU. The Shotelai have never been in civ before and would be a great anti-cavalry swordsman replacement. If they want to do the Mehal Sefari again it could be Menelik's own UU.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I meant historically they were built in Medieval Ethiopia. I'm pretty sure it would be built earlier in game especially if it will be related to the Holy Site.

I vote yes to an Axumite UU. The Shotelai have never been in civ before and would be a great anti-cavalry swordsman replacement. If they want to do the Mehal Sefari again it could be Menelik's own UU.

agree. this is the best solution.

 

[Zaarin]

Well, we know it isn't FDR because name.

I was referring to a future iteration of Civ; I consider an alt leader for America very, very low priority even if we get a fifth DLC pass--or even a tenth.

Grant:
Point Against: his build as President is too similar to Roosevelt's. No broad shoulders, but still short hair and squary face.

Uh, Grant and TR really don't look much alike at all. Grant was a sort of dumpy looking guy with a sagging face and a scraggly beard, nothing at all like the neat, fit, healthy TR with his spectacles and mustache. The only president I'd say bore any resemblance to TR at all is William Howard Taft, as we saw when TR was a little excessively chubby in his first look. Not to mention 1870s fashion looks nothing like Belle Époque fashion so they'd be dressed completely differently. I'm not advocating for Grant--though not corrupt himself, his administration was heinously corrupt because he was too trusting, and as a general he was only modestly competent--I'm just saying he looks absolutely nothing like TR.

that’s why i think they should go with the Rock-hewn church, for medieval (although I’d prefer it as a shrine replacement)

I really think it needs to be a unique improvement so that it's very noticeable on the map.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I really think it needs to be a unique improvement so that it's very noticeable on the map.

fine by me

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I really think it needs to be a unique improvement so that it's very noticeable on the map.

Considering they were located in complex groups I think a unique Holy Site District would work too. The graphic would still be very noticeable like the onion domed church located in Russia's Lavra.

 

[Zaarin]

Considering they were located in complex groups I think a unique Holy Site District would work too. The graphic would still be very noticeable like the onion domed church located in Russia's Lavra.

I'd actually prefer a unique Holy Site over a unique improvement; I'm just not certain we'll get two Unique District civs in a row. If they did go the Unique Improvement route, they could give them adjacency bonuses to motivate clustering them. (But I'm totally with you in preferring a Holy Site replacement if that's on the table.) If it were a Cothon-style Unique District where the entire set takes on a unique appearance, it would be cool to have the district buildings set into the ground as well.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'd actually prefer a unique Holy Site over a unique improvement; I'm just not certain we'll get two Unique District civs in a row

Well it's a good thing that Gran Colombia was revealed in between.

(But I'm totally with you in preferring a Holy Site replacement if that's on the table.) If it were a Cothon-style Unique District where the entire set takes on a unique appearance, it would be cool to have the district buildings set into the ground as well.

I was hoping it would carry over to the NFP, but it doesn't seem to be the case with the Maya. Honestly I originally thought it would have been cool if the Maya originally got the unique Holy Site so we could get proper looking Mesoamerican shrines and temples in it.

I wouldn't expect any of the buildings to be underground now if they did. I wonder if the rock-hewn church graphic would even be shown underground in the first place?

 

[Zaarin]

I wonder if the rock-hewn church graphic would even be shown underground in the first place?

I mean, there are some very impressive rock-hewn churches in the sides of cliffs, too, but it's the inset churches at Lalibela that are really impressive so...I would hope so?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I mean, there are some very impressive rock-hewn churches in the sides of cliffs, too, but it's the inset churches at Lalibela that are really impressive so...I would hope so?

They've taken artistic liberties in the past. If they really want to show them off I could possibly see them deciding not to depict them being underground in-game, but everything else would be shown.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I mean, there are some very impressive rock-hewn churches in the sides of cliffs, too, but it's the inset churches at Lalibela that are really impressive so...I would hope so?

what if it’s a unique district that has to be built on mountains, and then the imagery is of the church built in on the mountain

they still look fairly distinct, even from above ground, so i think that might be the best way

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

what if it’s a unique district that has to be built on mountains, and then the imagery is of the church built in on the mountain

they still look fairly distinct, even from above ground, so i think that might be the best way

I doubt it will happen but if it does...

Pachacuti: "We Inca are the masters of the mountains."

Ethiopia: "That's funny."