[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Eagle Pursuit]

If considering Lisbon's original suzerain bonus is naval-based, Venice - another famous maritime city - as a replacement of Lisbon is likely.

Although we also know that suzerain bonuses are not necessarily connect with the city-state's real-life counterpart (for instance I don't think people of Brussels are famous for their wonder-building skills).

Antioch's Trade Route bonus is more Venice flavored than Lisbon's, in my opinion. It's bonus gold per luxury at the target city.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Well I knew Italy was too good to be true.
It's hard to say whether Venice will replace Antioch or Lisbon as I can see it having either of the suzerain bonuses personally. Either way it means at least one civ from Europe is in the next DLC.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Antioch's Trade Route bonus is more Venice flavored than Lisbon's, in my opinion. It's bonus gold per luxury at the target city.

I would say both can be considered as Lisbon flavored - Portugal was really into luxuries - I mean spices - as well.

In terms of the Antioch argument, I think the question will be whether we consider Antioch a proper Byzantium city or not.

 

[bite]

I would say both can be considered as Lisbon flavored - Portugal was really into luxuries - I mean spices - as well.

In terms of the Antioch argument, I think the question will be whether we consider Antioch a proper Byzantium city or not.

Well its civilopedia entry makes no references to Byzantium

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would say both can be considered as Lisbon flavored - Portugal was really into luxuries - I mean spices - as well.

In terms of the Antioch argument, I think the question will be whether we consider Antioch a proper Byzantium city or not.

Well its civilopedia entry makes no references to Byzantium

It was a city for them in Civ 4 and Civ 5. Of course it's just speculation whether it will be this time or not.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I would say both can be considered as Lisbon flavored - Portugal was really into luxuries - I mean spices - as well.

In terms of the Antioch argument, I think the question will be whether we consider Antioch a proper Byzantium city or not.

I believe it's been on the Byzantine city list before.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Well its civilopedia entry makes no references to Byzantium

it was a byzantine city for a long period of time, although it was founded by the seleucids

 

[pokiehl]

Really hope this doesn't mean Babylon isn't coming

 

[Xandinho]

Well, this seems to mean no to Babylon in the next DLC, but it doesn't mean no to Babylon in NFP, it can still come later. We can rule out Babylon only if Assyria or another ancient Mesopotamian civ is in DLC 3.

 

[Jeppetto]

I think Venice fits better as replacement for Lisbon, but Antoch fits better with my guess of the new map being East and Central Asia, so I dunno. I think Portugal will be on its own in a Pack (If Vietman goes instead of Italy) and Italy will come next Pass.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Just let Alexander lead half the civs in the game.

This isn't as much of a joke as you might think.
My professor, who was one of the Alexandrian Experts in the USA at the time, pointed out that Tall Tales and Legends featuring Alexander as a recognizable protagonist: the "Romance of Alexander" could be found even then (50 years ago) in over 80 different countries from Finland to Southeast Asia! He was such an unbelievable character that he kept getting 'added on' to existing stories and legends, along with his side-kick, the Wizard Aristotle (which I still think is another good argument that Sufficiently Advanced Science is indistinguishable in the popular mind from Magic = especially in Legends).

So, legitimately, if they wanted to give Alexander the Civ Leader a Cultural UA, it could apply to at least half the Civs and City States in the game.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

My updated thinking is
DLC NFP03

Byzantium
(Another ME or Euro civ (probably with Med. access) but not a series regular like Portugal, nor Italy)
Statue of Zues (and another Wonder from the region)
Venice replaces Antioch
A map of the Mediterranean, which will can be utilized by the Byzantines, probably the other civ too, and will have Venice on it.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

This isn't as much of a joke as you might think.
My professor, who was one of the Alexandrian Experts in the USA at the time, pointed out that Tall Tales and Legends featuring Alexander as a recognizable protagonist: the "Romance of Alexander" could be found even then (50 years ago) in over 80 different countries from Finland to Southeast Asia! He was such an unbelievable character that he kept getting 'added on' to existing stories and legends, along with his side-kick, the Wizard Aristotle (which I still think is another good argument that Sufficiently Advanced Science is indistinguishable in the popular mind from Magic = especially in Legends).

So, legitimately, if they wanted to give Alexander the Civ Leader a Cultural UA, it could apply to at least half the Civs and City States in the game.

of course, said influence varied greatly. Egypt, Greece and Persia directly post-Alexander obviously were more culturally influenced by him than any other place, followed perhaps by the Maurya and other neighboring kingdoms, and then everything else

My updated thinking is
DLC NFP03

Byzantium
(Another ME civ (probably with Med. access))
Statue of Zues (and another Wonder from the region)
Venice replaces Antioch
A map of the Mediterranean, which will can be utilized by the Byzantines, probably the other civ too, and will have Venice on it.

i don’t know why ppl haven’t considered the possibility that Muscat or Zanzibar could also be the replaced city, or that venice is outright brand new

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

i don’t know why ppl haven’t considered the possibility that Muscat or Zanzibar could also be the replaced city, or that venice is outright brand new

No brand new city-states until November. We surmise it is a replacement.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

of course, said influence varied greatly. Egypt, Greece and Persia directly post-Alexander obviously were more culturally influenced by him than any other place, followed perhaps by the Maurya and other neighboring kingdoms, and then everything else

Dn't forget every over-ambitious military leader from Rome on, every one of whom who ever heard of Alexander's conquests wanted to try to do as well or better. Alexander's influence on Overwhelming Ambition in Later Leaders might be his most enduring Influence - unfortunately.

It is also not entirely limited to military. My professor, Doctor Borza, who had made a near-lifetime study of Alexander, remarked once that on his 34th birthday he was depressed to realize how little he had accomplished compared to Alexander, who by his 34th birthday had conquered the known world (almost) and died already!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

i don’t know why ppl haven’t considered the possibility that Muscat or Zanzibar could also be the replaced city, or that venice is outright brand new

So far the city-states that have replaced another city-state have been from the same continent. Antioch was in present-day Turkey but it's basically European in terms of culture being founded by the Seleucids and then part of Roman/Byzantine Empire.

By that logic it seems plausible that it should either replace Lisbon or Antioch, which the latter already replaced Amsterdam.

 

[bbbt]

No brand new city-states until November. We surmise it is a replacement.

There's no new city states in the NFP paid content until November. There's certainly the (unlikely) possibility for them to add City-States in a free patch, like they are doing with the free game mode.

But I'd agree it's likely a replacement (and they haven't mentioned new free City States).

Though why are they replacing it in this patch, and not with the actual addition of a new Civ, is a little mysterious. Explicit hint?

 

[8housesofelixir]

IMHO the "new map" can be also a "new map script" as comparing to civ5 we are still missing lots of map scripts/maptypes.

And also, to be honest, I don't think the map-making skills of the FXS devs are that great. A new "static" map will be out of trend pretty quickly in front of custom maps.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

There's no new city states in the NFP paid content until November. There's certainly the (unlikely) possibility for them to add City-States in a free patch, like they are doing with the free game mode.

But I'd agree it's likely a replacement (and they haven't mentioned new free City States).

Though why are they replacing it in this patch, and not with the actual addition of a new Civ, is a little mysterious. Explicit hint?

Explicit hint. Carl even added an envoy to it in a way that made it look like he was trying to draw attention to it.

 

[sukritact]

I’d like to point out that multiple city-states could also be being replaced. So perhaps Byzantium AND Portugal, or Portugal AND the Swahili (Zanzibar), or Portugal AND Oman (Muscat).