[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Meh. Such is the way of blockbuster titles: this DLC pack was not made for me.

I guess you could say that this pack did really "Slay the Bulgars" chances.
Sorry couldn't resist that joke right now especially if Basil II does turn out to be the leader, which it looks likely.

 

[Morningcalm]

I’m glad they at least announced the civs. I’m not huge on European civs in general (African civs and African history at large are far more underrepresented in Civ at large), but will be looking forward to Byzantium.

If there aren’t many in New Frontier Pass Firaxis can do us a solid and include Nur Jahan as the tiger-hunting, architectural co-ruler of Mughal India in Civ VII.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I’m glad they at least announced the civs. I’m not huge on European civs in general (African civs and African history at large are far more underrepresented in Civ at large), but will be looking forward to Byzantium.

If there aren’t many in New Frontier Pass Firaxis can do us a solid and include Nur Jahan as the tiger-hunting, architectural co-ruler of Mughal India in Civ VII.

nur jahan and akbar leader options for mughals
ashoka for maurya
rajaraja or rajendra chola for chola

 

[Xandinho]

I do think that this might be an indicator that a second season is planned, though. We now only have three slots for unknown civs, and still need to hit five regions from V: Portugal, Italy, Maghreb, Assyria, western US. And with the Gauls, we also have less confirmation that the devs won't try to cram the Iroquois, Denmark, or Babylon up in crowded regions.

Tbh, I'm a tad disappointed. Neither Byzantium nor Gaul were civs I really wanted, and all they do is detract from the possibility of getting more African, Southeast Asian, or North American civs. People are complaining about all the Hellenic civs, but now I feel justified in complaining about too many Roman civs. At the very least they could balance out the Gauls with Numidia at some point.

Meh. Such is the way of blockbuster titles: this DLC pack was not made for me.

Southeast Asia will be well represented with three civs after Vietnam, I don't think it needs anything more than some city-states and wonders.
Pretty sure that North America will receive a civ, whether Iroquois or whatever, their largest consuming public is in North America.
And yeah, Maghreb is empty, but we don't know, after today I think it is reasonably likely that there will be another round of passes, so Morocco or Berbers can happen.

I really liked the inclusion of the Gauls, it's a fair representation for the Celts.

 

[Zaarin]

I under stand Semiramis, but what's wrong with Gilgabro?

I'm glad you asked. tl;dr: Nothing about his design is remotely Sumerian.

She'd basically be female Hiawatha, which is something I could see them doing. Better than Pocahontas for the Powhatan or Sacagawea for the Shoshone at least.

Pocahontas for the Powhatan or Sacagawea for the Shoshone would be downright insulting so yes, she's much better. Or, compromise: Molly Brant.

Still processing this reveal. Gaul is a choice lol. I'm glad they made it more Belgic than French, because we have enough France in the game as it is, but was Belgium ever really necessary?

Except the Belgians are as Belgic as the French are Gaulish. They're Germans who happen to inhabit the same geography. (I mean, the Belgae were also Germans, but the Belgians are different Germans. )

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I guess you could say that this pack did really "Slay the Bulgars" chances.
Sorry couldn't resist that joke right now especially if Basil II does turn out to be the leader, which it looks likely.

Ooof, yeah you're right. Also, as a matter of s****ing on my Bulgaria dreams, I can't even keep much faith that a second season is in fact planned. Once they hit Byzantium and Portugal, the devs might just consider the game complete. "What do you mean the game sucks? We gave you Colombia and Vietnam!"

At this point, if we can have effing Gaul on top of three French leaders, I wouldn't be happy unless we got:

* Goths
* Numidia
* Bulgaria
* Oman
* Timurids
* Burma
* At least two North American tribes
* Sure, Chola can come too

And that is never going to happen. Instead we'll probably get Ireland or a third Canadian civ.

Except the Belgians are as Belgic as the French are Gaulish. They're Germans who happen to inhabit the same geography. (I mean, the Belgae were also Germans, but the Belgians are different Germans. )

Oh I know it's superficial, but at least its a superficial distinction with modern Belgian nationalism behind it as opposed to just more France.

 

[Zaarin]

Oh I know it's superficial, but at least its a superficial distinction with modern Belgian nationalism behind it as opposed to just more France.

My problem is we have the Scots, who are actually Germans, for the Celts, and if Gaul is led by Ambiorix, we have the Belgae, who are actually Germans, for the Celts. Does someone at Firaxis just hate the Celts or something?

 

[8housesofelixir]

I under stand Semiramis, but what's wrong with Gilgabro?

Also, besides the point made by @Alexander's Hetaroi above, an actual Sumerian civ will be very different from a "Gilgamesh civ". You will have larger and more prosperous Ancient Era cities, for instance.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I highly doubt we'll be getting Portugal in NF.

Honestly, I’m expecting them to cram the old favorites all in with NF, because as major post-XP2 DLC, this is already unexplored territory. We don’t know how much more we’re going to get.

I think we’ll only get a Final Frontier if New Frontier does really well, so I don’t see them postponing the staples any longer.

So yeah, along with Maya, Ethiopia and Byzantium, I’m still expecting Portugal and Babylon (as I have long advocated).

 

[Jkchart]

Honestly, I’m expecting them to cram the old favorites all in with NF, because as major post-XP2 DLC, this is already unexplored territory. We don’t know how much more we’re going to get.

I think we’ll only get a Final Frontier if New Frontier does really well, so I don’t see them postponing the staples any longer.

So yeah, along with Maya, Ethiopia and Byzantium, I’m still expecting Portugal and Babylon (as I have long advocated).

I tend to agree with this.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Pocahontas for the Powhatan or Sacagawea for the Shoshone would be downright insulting so yes, she's much better. Or, compromise: Molly Brant.

Not as insulting as Sacagawea leading the Sioux in Civ 2.

And that is never going to happen. Instead we'll probably get Ireland or a third Canadian civ.

I thought you wanted the Inuit?

Honestly, I’m expecting them to cram the old favorites all in with NF, because as major post-XP2 DLC, this is already unexplored territory. We don’t know how much more we’re going to get.

I think we’ll only get a Final Frontier if New Frontier does really well, so I don’t see them postponing the staples any longer.

So yeah, along with Maya, Ethiopia and Byzantium, I’m still expecting Portugal and Babylon (as I have long advocated).

It would still be weird to me if they left North America as empty as it is though with only the Cree representing any native tribes north of Mexico after doing two for Civ 5.

 

[Zaarin]

Honestly, I’m expecting them to cram the old favorites all in with NF, because as major post-XP2 DLC, this is already unexplored territory. We don’t know how much more we’re going to get.

I think we’ll only get a Final Frontier if New Frontier does really well, so I don’t see them postponing the staples any longer.

So yeah, along with Maya, Ethiopia and Byzantium, I’m still expecting Portugal and Babylon (as I have long advocated).

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I'm skeptical about Portugal's position after the addition of the Gauls. I think Portugal will yield its place to a second Native American civ. I'm also wavering whether they'll go to the trouble of adding Babylon, a long-time staple, or whether it will be Assyria, which fits the roster better.

Not as insulting as Sacagawea leading the Sioux in Civ 2.

Almost the entire female roster of Civ2 leaders was insulting.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I thought you wanted the Inuit?

NOT LIKE THIS.

It would still be weird to me if they left North America as empty as it is though with only the Cree representing any native tribes north of Mexico after doing two for Civ 5.

I really don't think they could get away with it. Same with North Africa. I really hope they intend to keep developing past NFP, but I feel so betrayed on this day lol.

 

[SMcM]

My problem is we have the Scots, who are actually Germans, for the Celts, and if Gaul is led by Ambiorix, we have the Belgae, who are actually Germans, for the Celts. Does someone at Firaxis just hate the Celts or something?

I have so many questions here tbh, I'm puzzled by most of what you're saying. By Scotland being Germans what do you mean? That they were largely mixed with the English by the time Robert the Bruce lived? And what do you mean the Belgae were Germans? Also why do we think Ambiorix might be the leader instead of the surely more famous Vercingetorix?

 

[Xandinho]

It would still be weird to me if they left North America as empty as it is though with only the Cree representing any native tribes north of Mexico after doing two for Civ 5.

Me too, and there is also marketing appeal, as I said before, most likely North America has the largest audience of Civ players. A Native American civilization that is reasonably recognized would sell a lot.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I'm skeptical about Portugal's position after the addition of the Gauls. I think Portugal will yield its place to a second Native American civ.

I kind of feel the opposite, though if it does happen that's the only reason I think there will be more content after March.

Also why do we think Ambiorix might be the leader instead of the surely more famous Vercingetorix?

The capital was shown to be Aduatuca in the video.

 

[Jeppetto]

I still find Iroquis/Haudenosanee led by Jigonhsasee likely as safe choice

EDIT: Oh I see she has been already mentoined several times in the two pages I didn't notice. Was responding to post made some time ago.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

My problem is we have the Scots, who are actually Germans, for the Celts, and if Gaul is led by Ambiorix, we have the Belgae, who are actually Germans, for the Celts. Does someone at Firaxis just hate the Celts or something?

at least gaul probably won’t exclusively be designed to the bélgica but rather all gauls w/ a belgaen leader

I have so many questions here tbh, I'm puzzled by most of what you're saying. By Scotland being Germans what do you mean? That they were largely mixed with the English by the time Robert the Bruce lived? And what do you mean the Belgae were Germans? Also why do we think Ambiorix might be the leader instead of the surely more famous Vercingetorix?

ambiorix will be the leader bcs of the capital choice.

The scots (and their language) were germanic, but their culture was celtic, thanks to pictish and irish influences, and the development of scottish gaelic in the highlands, coastal areas and frontiers. in scotland’s case in game, nothing about its design is celtic besides the bagpipes, and Robert speaking Anglo-Norman surely doesn’t help with that

 

[Narcisse]

Actually Belgae are always debated, they have strong relation with Germania (Ambiorix was hidden by his Germanian friends), but their names were "Gaulish" (as we consider the geographical zone named by Romans), there is less evidence of the early Roman influence and trades with Belgae, which is one of the settings of the meaning of Gauls ( Gauls being the "romanized" celts, Celts being the settlers in islands which don't get this strong roman influence and later assimilation).
I don't know for their language, I suppose it was more similar to the Germania ones, than from the Gaulish ones. But their names were Gaulish .... infinite loop

I mean, simply Firaxis, go with Vercingetorix, simply less problems for the terminology and Vercingetorix fans xD

Edit : Oh it's sure it's the capital ? So go Ambiorix, you deserve to be in, your poor people were slaughtered by these damn Romans, we will take our revenge

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Actually Belgae are always debated, they have strong relation with Germania (Ambiorix was hidden by his Germanian friends), but their names were "Gaulish" (as we consider the geographical zone named by Romans), there is less evidence of the early Roman influence and trades with Belgae, which is one of the settings of the meaning of Gauls ( Gauls being the "romanized" celts, Celts being the settlers in islands which don't get this strong roman influence and later assimilation).
I don't know for their language, I suppose it was more similar to the Germania ones, than from the Gaulish ones. But their names were Gaulish .... infinite loop

I mean, simply Firaxis, go with Vercingetorix, simply less problems for the terminology and Vercingetorix fans xD

But Verc doesn't have HAT.

I do see the choice of Ambiorix as an attempt to conceptually blob Verc and Arminius together.