[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Duke William of Normandy]

Oops... Anyways, they could just make Kublai Leader of Mongolia, with no need to make him a Leader of China. Another way to solve the problem.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I am sure we have discussed modern view of China regarding Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan, and it went waaaaaay off our topic that the mods had to steer the ship back multiple times, so let's not go to the political side of things again.
Regarding Vietnam, it was leaked since July with the Ethiopia Pack, everything we gathered from data mining has been so on point so far, the horse of "who will come next in January" has been beaten so dead that it has reincarnated by skepticism multiple times and it got beaten to death again almost immediately after.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I am sure we have discussed modern view of China regarding Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan, and it went waaaaaay off our topic that the mods had to steer the ship back multiple times, so let's not go to the political side of things again.
Regarding Vietnam, it was leaked since July with the Ethiopia Pack, everything we gathered from data mining has been so on point so far, the horse of "who will come next in January" has been beaten so dead that it has reincarnated by skepticism multiple times and it got beaten to death again almost immediately after.

We must beat it to death again! How else are we supposed to spend time?/s Do productive stuff?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I... doubt that Stately Pleasure Domes actually existed, considering it was from a poem made by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, an English poet in the 18th century, and considering it all came to him in a dream.

Xanadu existed which I think there could be a possibility he could get it as a unique Govt. Plaza, since R&F is required for him, if it's not his capital.

Oops... Anyways, they could just make Kublai Leader of Mongolia, with no need to make him a Leader of China. Another way to solve the problem.

Well Kublai definitely leading Mongolia at least is one thing that everyone can agree on.

Regarding Vietnam, it was leaked since July with the Ethiopia Pack, everything we gathered from data mining has been so on point so far, the horse of "who will come next in January" has been beaten so dead that it has reincarnated by skepticism multiple times and it got beaten to death again almost immediately after.

Sounds like Genghis ability defeating enemy cavalry units and resurrecting them.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Eh, not the "China and Kublai" again. I have explained how the Chinese gaming community would view it and how PRC authority would view it numerous times in this very thread (spoiler: they are very likely not care about it) but people would still insist on their own imagination of the situation.

In any case, we have a 90% change of getting Kublai and Vietnam and Alternative Economy mode in January, Kublai will very likely have a trade orientated bonus, Vietnam will likely have a dynastic emperor as their leader, and the economy mode will very likely evolve around the control of resources. All of them look fun and exciting, this is probably the most anticipated Pack in the NFP.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Eh, not the "China and Kublai" again. I have explained how the Chinese gaming community would view it and how PRC authority would view it numerous times in this very thread (spoiler: they are very likely not care about it) but people would still insist on their own imagination of the situation.

In any case, we have a 90% change of getting Kublai and Vietnam and Alternative Economy mode in January, Kublai will very likely have a trade orientated bonus, Vietnam will likely have a dynastic emperor as their leader, and the economy mode will very likely evolve around the control of resources. All of them look fun and exciting, this is probably the most anticipated Pack in the NFP.

I cross my fingers for Le Loi.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Eh, not the "China and Kublai" again. I have explained how the Chinese gaming community would view it and how PRC authority would view it numerous times in this very thread (spoiler: they are very likely not care about it) but people would still insist on their own imagination of the situation.

In any case, we have a 90% change of getting Kublai and Vietnam and Alternative Economy mode in January, Kublai will very likely have a trade orientated bonus, Vietnam will likely have a dynastic emperor as their leader, and the economy mode will very likely evolve around the control of resources. All of them look fun and exciting, this is probably the most anticipated Pack in the NFP.

I'd go as far as saying 90% is kinda an understatement at this point From what we managed to dig out, it is more like 99.999% with the 0.001% left is the probability of a meteor crash landing on Earth, wiping out humanity right before the announcement of the 5th pack lol
I actually hope for Ho Chi Minh as the leader above all. Civ6 features a lot of civs that has history related to Communism, China, Khmer, Poland, Hungary, Russia,... but not one of them was led by a Communist leader. Not that I particularly care about the Communist party of Vietnam, but it can be an interesting twist, since Ho Chi Minh is probably the best Communist leader choice to put in a Civ game, he doesn't have the same level of notoriety in the world as other Communist leaders and since the contemporary country is still communist, he is well remembered by his own people. AND if HCM is the leader, Vietnam may have 2 UUs, one from the Medieval time, one unique Infantry replacement.

 

[Myomoto]

If Kublai is released as leader of Mongolia, they could add a second free DLC to the steam shop unlocking him as leader of China (but dependent on the other DLC).

Gore is locked behind DLC for Total War games, and Hitler is censored in Germany's version of Hearts of Iron. The just released Twisted and the Twilight DLC for Warhammer adds an extra character if you own a specific previous DLC.

Not saying this is likely or not, just pointing out there's a work around if it is considered a significant issue in a specific market.

If nothing else, it would be pretty trivial to mod, no?

 

[Henri Christophe]

Ho chi Minh will be amazing!

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I'd go as far as saying 90% is kinda an understatement at this point From what we managed to dig out, it is more like 99.999% with the 0.001% left is the probability of a meteor crash landing on Earth, wiping out humanity right before the announcement of the 5th pack lol
I actually hope for Ho Chi Minh as the leader above all. Civ6 features a lot of civs that has history related to Communism, China, Khmer, Poland, Hungary, Russia,... but not one of them was led by a Communist leader. Not that I particularly care about the Communist party of Vietnam, but it can be an interesting twist, since Ho Chi Minh is probably the best Communist leader choice to put in a Civ game, he doesn't have the same level of notoriety in the world as other Communist leaders and since the contemporary country is still communist, he is well remembered by his own people. AND if HCM is the leader, Vietnam may have 2 UUs, one from the Medieval time, one unique Infantry replacement.

He came before Reagan on the historical timeline, so I guess I'd be fine with him.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

He was born only 5 years later than J. Curtin and died 8 years after Wilhelmina, who are the current youngest leader in terms of birthyear and last leader to die in the game respectively, so he is definitely not a leader that is too close to our current timeline.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

He was born only 5 years later than J. Curtin and died 8 years after Wilhelmina, who are the current youngest leader in terms of birthyear and last leader to die in the game respectively, so he is definitely not a leader that is too close to our current timeline.

Wow! That's so close to our part in the timeline, yet also so far.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Also worth nothing that the last time we had a Communist leader was back in Civ4, when historically controversial leaders were still a thing, so adding HCM is like a bit of both worlds, you can have a nice "Commie twist" without a lot of backlash from international communities.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I was looking CIv4 leaders today, they have a lot of modern era leaders, as Churchil, De Gaule. Why they stop with that?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I was looking CIv4 leaders today, they have a lot of modern era leaders, as Churchil, De Gaule. Why they stop with that?

I honestly don't know why they stopped.

 

[bbbt]

I'd go as far as saying 90% is kinda an understatement at this point From what we managed to dig out, it is more like 99.999% with the 0.001% left is the probability of a meteor crash landing on Earth, wiping out humanity right before the announcement of the 5th pack lol
I actually hope for Ho Chi Minh as the leader above all. Civ6 features a lot of civs that has history related to Communism, China, Khmer, Poland, Hungary, Russia,... but not one of them was led by a Communist leader. Not that I particularly care about the Communist party of Vietnam, but it can be an interesting twist, since Ho Chi Minh is probably the best Communist leader choice to put in a Civ game, he doesn't have the same level of notoriety in the world as other Communist leaders and since the contemporary country is still communist, he is well remembered by his own people. AND if HCM is the leader, Vietnam may have 2 UUs, one from the Medieval time, one unique Infantry replacement.

He'd likely be the best communist leader option for 6, but I'd ideally prefer a soviet one. Either Lenin due to overall impact or Khrushchev with a science/space bent. Russia still has Lenin statues all over the place (and his body on the display for that matter).

I was looking CIv4 leaders today, they have a lot of modern era leaders, as Churchil, De Gaule. Why they stop with that?

I think that was mostly due to Civ 4 just having a ton more alternate leaders in general because of the much lower animation overhead. I.e. if you are going to have 3 leaders for England and France (which 4 did), it makes sense to have a modern one. If you are going to only pick one leader for England or France, I don't know that a modern one makes as much sense. Though I'm not sure Civ 6's current French leader options make more sense than De Gaule, so...

 

[notNamed]

Also worth nothing that the last time we had a Communist leader was back in Civ4, when historically controversial leaders were still a thing, so adding HCM is like a bit of both worlds, you can have a nice "Commie twist" without a lot of backlash from international communities.

Actually, both CivRev and CivRev2 had them. Revolution had Mao, Revolution 2 had Mao and Lenin (and also Kennedy, de Gaulle, Churchill) so it did use to be mostly the fact that if given the choice, the game tended to go for more romantic "older" leaders.
For Civ 6 though, it was a conscious decision to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.

 

[GenyaArikado]

*googles Ho Chi Mihn*

First, Vietnam is getting in because of the Trung sisters, for starters

Second, can we not add recent trash to the game please? "Not as bad as Stalin and Mao" shouldn't be the standard for modern leaders

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

*googles Ho Chi Mihn*

First, Vietnam is getting in because of the Trung sisters, for starters

Second, can we not add recent trash to the game please? "Not as bad as Stalin and Mao" shouldn't be the standard for modern leaders

He's historically relevant, he's not completely hated by his people, and he shaped a portion of the modern world. I absolutely want Le Loi, but I would be ok with Ho Chi Minh.

Also, Trung Trac was just added as a Great General, they won't just change her to put her as Vietnam's leader.

 

[GenyaArikado]

At this point not even Hitler is completely hated by his people... sadly. So still trash to me.

Hope putting TT was some horrible mistake. Because regardless we're missing 2 female leaders