[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Duke William of Normandy]

Perhaps because all Siberia population is 31 million people which is less than Poland alone and there aren't many cultures that developed there and are well described? Besides, mercator projection is really tricky:

Spoiler map :

Given that all there is in Siberia is Cold, Snow, and Freezing Death, it's surprising 31 million people can actually survive that. And I live in Canada where the snow can snow in June.

 

[Unmitigated Gaul]

Yes, because the Native Americans never exploited or exterminated other groups of people.

That is historically accurate and all but there’s a political angle to including indigenous people in a game like this that doesn’t exist when describing European civs.

I think a PNW trading faction with totems would be super cool, I just don’t think it will happen.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Perhaps because all Siberia population is 31 million people which is less than Poland alone and there aren't many cultures that developed there and are well described? Besides, mercator projection is really tricky:

Spoiler map :

So why we have Cree and Maori, but dont have Guarani, Tagalog or Somali.
Small pre urban civs from Anglo colonial nations are OK but bigger similar nations from other regions are rare, even worse with the ones that are not just bigger but more "civilized" and with longest recorded history.

Anyway my point is obviously about how Canada or USA need natives civs because their territory is big, but were are the Siberian or Brazilian native civ?

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

So why we have Cree and Maori, but dont have Guarani, Tagalog or Somali.
Small pre urban civs from Anglo colonial nations are OK but bigger similar nations from other regions are rare, even worse with the ones that are not just bigger but more "civilized" and with longest recorded history.

Anyway my point is obviously about how Canada or USA need natives civs because their territory is big, but were are the Siberian or Brazilian native civ?

Maybe let's start by naming at least one possible Siberian Civ

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I think a PNW trading faction with totems would be super cool, I just don’t think it will happen.

The Haide could take that role, but unfortunately, I don't think that Firaxis has their permission. Shame, too. Such attention could be placed upon these people and their dying language, and yet, we are not able to do so. Not bashing the Haida, of course, just lamenting that we are not able to have them in Civ 6.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Maybe let's start by naming at least one possible Siberian Civ

Yakuts, Evenks or the Sibir Khanate itself. You know the kind of peoples that interacted not just with Russian but with other civs already on game like Mongols, Chinese, Koreans and the many options to add on Central Asia.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I don't think that Firaxis has their permission

That is historically accurate and all but there’s a political angle to including indigenous people in a game like this that doesn’t exist when describing European civs.

And this is the answer to why we don't have Native American Civs in a game... This is actually sad.

Yakuts, Evenks or the Sibir Khanate itself. You know the kind of peoples that interacted not just with Russian but with other civs already on game like Mongols, Chinese, Koreans and the many options to add on Central Asia.

See, now you have a Civs on your wishlist. Perhaps Firaxis will hear.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Yakuts, Evenks or the Sibir Khanate itself. You know the kind of peoples that interacted not just with Russian but with other civs already on game like Mongols, Chinese, Koreans and the many options to add on Central Asia.

Alright. How do we get people who speak their language, what will their Unique Units and Unique Infrastructure be, who will be their Leader, and what will be their Ability?

I've been checking around, and I can't seem to find much that would warrant them appearing.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So why we have Cree and Maori, but dont have Guarani, Tagalog or Somali.
Small pre urban civs from Anglo colonial nations are OK but bigger similar nations from other regions are rare, even worse with the ones that are not just bigger but more "civilized" and with longest recorded history.

Anyway my point is obviously about how Canada or USA need natives civs because their territory is big, but were are the Siberian or Brazilian native civ?

I mean at least the Mapuche from Chile/Argentina is a start. The more civs we get every game, hopefully with that more areas will be explored.

The Haide could take that role, but unfortunately, I don't think that Firaxis has their permission. Shame, too. Such attention could be placed upon these people and their dying language, and yet, we are not able to do so. Not bashing the Haida, of course, just lamenting that we are not able to have them in Civ 6.

I still wonder what problems Firaxis had with implementing the Haida, or why they chose the Cree instead for R&F?
Though if we did have choose a PNW tribe I'd like to see the Tlingit.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Yes Denmak or Austria are different from Norway and Germany, of course are relevant to european history, BUT they are part of the european civilization's history, and have these closely related nations like Norway and Germany already on game. Meanwhile regions like Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica that were for millennia the equivalent of modern Europe of their half of the world are OK with a couple of civs "because they are all the same".

In my mind, Asia and Africa are far worse off than Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica. The Indosphere and Arabosphere are both sorely underrepresented in VI.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Alright. How do we get people who speak their language, what will their Unique Units and Unique Infrastructure be, who will be their Leader, and what will be their Ability?

I've been checking around, and I can't seem to find much that would warrant them appearing.

Sibir mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=204485050

Yakut mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=305734328

Evenki mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=777169536

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Sibir mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=204485050

Yakut mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=305734328

Evenki mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=777169536

I clearly don't do enough research then... You win this.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Sibir mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=204485050

Yakut mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=305734328

Evenki mod for CIV5
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=777169536

Sibir made it to the top four in Civ Battle Royale. Yakutia also made it pretty far.

Personally I like the idea of the Yakut the most. Tygyn Darkhan is a cool leader figure, Yakutsk is a major mining city...there's not much to build with but what is there is kind of unique. Of course, I would much rather have the Inuit or the Saami and just get token representation with a Yakutsk CS.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

In my mind, Asia and Africa are far worse off than Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica. The Indosphere and Arabosphere are both sorely underrepresented in VI.

I still think North America and North Africa are the only real underrepresented regions, and I feel like most people agree. Though North Africa does fall under the Arabosphere, but I'd rather it be more Berber oriented.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Sibir made it to the top four in Civ Battle Royale. Yakutia also made it pretty far.

Personally I like the idea of the Yakut the most. Tygyn Darkhan is a cool leader figure, Yakutsk is a major mining city...there's not much to build with but what is there is kind of unique. Of course, I would much rather have the Inuit or the Saami and just get token representation with a Yakutsk CS.

I knew I was wrong... Heh... I'll go now and finish my ideas...

 

[BuchiTaton]

In my mind, Asia and Africa are far worse off than Mesopotamia or Mesoamerica. The Indosphere and Arabosphere are both sorely underrepresented in VI.

Agree, but I guess you mean Far East by Asia(?) and Africa as a whole is also a bigger region.

From Africa could be nice to have Berbers, Ashanti, Yorubas, Songhai, Kanembu, Somali, Swahili and Zimbabweans.

Now Asia have some nice options like Tagalog/Phillipines, Burmese, Siamese, Afghans, Sogdians, etc. But there are others really good options that are unlikely because the blobs of China and India, like Tamils, Tibetans, Manchus, Hmong, etc.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Yakutsk is a major mining city

Yakutsk as a City was established by Russians and mining began after Russian colonization, so I don't think it is a good idea to mix it

 

[Zaarin]

Yeah if we do get England, Scotland and Ireland you might as well add Wales, so they don't feel left out.

It's okay. Wales is used to being left out.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I still think North America and North Africa are the only real underrepresented regions, and I feel like most people agree. Though North Africa does fall under the Arabosphere, but I'd rather it be more Berber oriented.

Eh, if we really wanted to represent Africa in its entirety, we would have:

* Berbers/Numidia, or at least Morocco
* Ashanti/Benin/Oyo
* Kanem-Bornu
* Swahili/Zanzibar
* Madagascar

And then maybe the Boers too because South Africa is a very interesting place. So I don't think it's just North Africa that is underrepresented; just by comparison to 5 and where the biggest kingdoms/peoples are. But if I had my way, I wouldn't stop at North Africa (and the same goes for North America, which could comfortably fit about five more civs).

Agree, but I guess you mean Far East by Asia(?) and Africa as a whole is also a bigger region.

From Africa could be nice to have Berbers, Ashanti, Yorubas, Songhai, Kanembu, Somali, Swahili and Zimbabweans.

Now Asia have some nice options like Tagalog/Phillipines, Burmese, Siamese, Afghans, Sogdians, etc. But there are others really good options that are unlikely because the blobs of China and India, like Tamils, Tibetans, Manchus, Hmong, etc.

Yes, yes, all the yes.

I'm mostly talking about the Far East by Asia, you are correct, although really it all seems to revolve around India. Again, if we really wanted to cover the general breadth of Asia, we would probably want:

* Pashtunstan (Timurids, Afghanistan, Kushans, etc.)
* Burma (complete the trifecta)
* Chola (to make a distinction between "India" and the Dravidian cultures)
* Tibet (asbent political reasons, it would be a shoo-in)

And then I would give the Philippines a Tondo city-state because we need something there even if the Philippines were never a regional influencer.

Yakutsk as a City was established by Russians and mining began after Russian colonization, so I don't think it is a good idea to mix it

I just want something up there, and Yakutsk is literally the best we've got.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I just want something up there, and Yakutsk is literally the best we've got.

This is a part of the problem with nomad Civs