[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

It's the same as when people from any given country describe how important food and cuisine is to their culture...I imagine that eating is important to everyone!

Though not everyone's cuisine is equally delicious. We can't all be India, Persia, or Lebanon (sadly).

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Though not everyone's cuisine is equally delicious. We can't all be India, Persia, or Lebanon (sadly).

We can't all be the Philippines as well, either. Wait...

 

[Zaarin]

We can't all be the Philippines as well, either. Wait...

Honestly the only thing I remember from Filipino cuisine is banana ketchup, but in my defense I was eight years old at the time.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Unfortunately I agree, but I'd still like to see a cultural/builder-focused Assyria in Civ7--perhaps not so dissimilar from Civ6's Persia.

I picture them closer to the way Macedon is portrayed. Conquering cities can give them science and cultural bonuses, or that's the main reason why they want to go out and build up an army for conquest to acquire great works from others, as opposed to wonders and districts for Alexander.

I completely agree, with a few exceptions of course. It's so funny to me when people insist that so-and-so could be a "great Culture civ" for instance - well, yeah, what civilization didn't have culture ?

The Huns.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Anyway, as @pokiehl has stated, all Civilizations have had Culture, Science, Faith, and etc. at one point. Just some have done it better than others.

The Huns.

Their Culture was murdering, plundering, torturing, and stealing anything their beady eyes could see. Sometimes... I miss it.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Honestly the only thing I remember from Filipino cuisine is banana ketchup, but in my defense I was eight years old at the time.

That's anecdotalism which, on the Internet, means it's the absolute truth, so for now I'll consider Filipino cuisine is just banana ketchup (please don't hit me)

 

[Zaarin]

I picture them closer to the way Macedon is portrayed. Conquering cities can give them science and cultural bonuses, or that's the main reason why they want to go out and build up an army for conquest to acquire great works from others, as opposed to wonders and districts for Alexander.

The past few decades have revealed the extent of Assyrian monumental architecture, public infrastructure, and art and literature. I'd like to see that side of Assyrian history represented as well--make the leader Sennacherib and give him war bonuses, call the ability "Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem." Again, like Persia--cultural civ, aggressive leader.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

The past few decades have revealed the extent of Assyrian monumental architecture, public infrastructure, and art and literature. I'd like to see that side of Assyrian history represented as well--make the leader Sennacherib and give him war bonuses, call the ability "Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem." Again, like Persia--cultural civ, aggressive leader.

How about just "At the Gates of Jerusalem"? You're suggested name seems a bit long.

 

[Zaarin]

How about just "At the Gates of Jerusalem"? You're suggested name seems a bit long.

"Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem" is archetypal.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Their Culture was murdering, plundering, torturing, and stealing anything their beady eyes could see. Sometimes... I miss it.

He said civilization.

The past few decades have revealed the extent of Assyrian monumental architecture, public infrastructure, and art and literature. I'd like to see that side of Assyrian history represented as well--make the leader Sennacherib and give him war bonuses, call the ability "Sennacherib at the Gates of Jerusalem." Again, like Persia--cultural civ, aggressive leader.

Does he come with Israel as well considering Tomyris foreshadowed Cyrus and Cyrus foreshadowed Babylon?

 

[Zaarin]

Does he come with Israel as well considering Tomyris foreshadowed Cyrus and Cyrus foreshadowed Babylon?

We should be so lucky.

 

[Andrew Johnson [FXS]]

It's the same as when people from any given country describe how important food and cuisine is to their culture...I imagine that eating is important to everyone!

My Finnish family has never said this.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

My Finnish family has never said this.

I imagine they only consume the best of the best: Soviet-made food baskets and Molotov cocktails.

 

[Andrew Johnson [FXS]]

I imagine they only consume the best of the best: Soviet-made food baskets and Molotov cocktails.

Karjalanpiirakka aren't bad, but... I remember seeing a Thai restaurant serving various European breakfasts. The Finnish one was coffee, vodka, and two cigarettes.

 

[Guynemer]

Karjalanpiirakka aren't bad, but... I remember seeing a Thai restaurant serving various European breakfasts. The Finnish one was coffee, vodka, and two cigarettes.

but where's the ennui and the crippling social anxiety?

 

[Menocchio]

I imagine they only consume the best of the best: Soviet-made food baskets and Molotov cocktails.

Soviet food is, actually, quite lovely. If you ever go to Russia, visit a stolovaya, and you will learn something new and delicious.

Which, speaking of: the USSR would be interesting to represent on its own in a future Civilisation game, though I doubt it ever will as Westerners tend to conflate it too eagerly with Russia.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

OK guys we had a nice chat here about Venice and Italy. Now it's time for the beef. Enjoy.

Spoiler :

 

[SMcM]

Maria II hasn't been in the game yet. In Civ 5 the leader was Maria I.

My bad, I added the wrong numeral. Nevertheless I don't see Maria II as a good option either, that is Portuguese leader from far beyond Portugal's heyday. I also think she is not nearly the most interesting Portuguese leader.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

I'm all for a more militant France on the condition that Napoleon Boringparte emphatically does not return.


Eh, I'd rather downplay portraying England as Britain. It makes sense in Civ6 with Victoria (disappointingly) as their leader, but in Civ7 I'd like to see England proper back. And while England was involved in her fair share of wars...honestly she wasn't too successful at them. Since I want Elizabeth back, I'd rather see England as a cultural/economic civ--which again is why I don't want France as the European culture civ in Civ7.

But by that logic we run into a big problem-before England became Great Britain, it didn't have the cultural power it is more or less known for today. Yeah you have Bill Shakespeare running around but that's peanuts compared to culture of the Italian city states, Austria, and yes, even France. Especially since England proper was a part of France/divided with French nobles running the show until almost the 1600s...and we can just see how the English language has been hugely influenced by France too. I just don't see how England by itself (Not including the Victorian Age/Pax Brittanica) could be that strong of a cultural civ. Economic I can see but on the cultural front, England by itself barely holds it own with the rest of Europe even in it's golden age.Now I'm sure you'll find some argument on why England alone was the most culturally significant civ in Europe...

I also do think that England works best as a part of GB-mostly from a gameplay perspective. Like it or not, we have to have a colonial/globetrotting civ and GB/England fits that bill. Plus as I've said before, it's a monumental part of their history so jumping back to Elizabeth's era exclusively is a bit restrictive. I think how Elizabeth worked in Civ V was fine as the naval bonuses and SotL's strength played to/assisted with the colonial GB history while still wrapping the whole thing with Lizzy's trade agreements. I would be fine with Elizabeth leading Great Britain as colonial bonuses would make sense for her just the same. The reason I'm gunning harder for GB over England is that it snufs out the possibility of us getting another Scotland which I thought was a big waste. I think GB itself (Being both England and Scotland) would satisfy the scots and allow them to make an Irish civ for VII. I don't really want an Irish civ personally, but a LOT of people do and we know how they cave to pressure...and if we get a collective 10 leaders for the anglo-french world I'm gonna be disappointed.

Honestly, any civ before ca. 1800 is a pretty good candidate for religious bonuses. Again, the French were the backbone of the Crusades; Louis IX was sainted (to say nothing of a good handful of non-governmental saints); France was the epicenter of the overwhelmingly religious Gothic architectural movement; and above all France was home to the Sorbonne, which was the chief center for determining theological orthodoxy and interpreting canon law in the Late Middle Ages and Early Modern era. There are good arguments for giving Medieval France religious bonuses, especially if one takes it in a militant direction. There was also the Babylonian Captivity of the Pope when one of the popes was at Avignon, though perhaps many would prefer we didn't talk about that. The reasons France was not as notable for its religiosity after the Reformation are 1) France had a sizable Protestant minority it had to learn to live with (at the outset of the Reformation the king's own sister was a Protestant sympathizer) and 2) the French Revolution was not just anti-clerical (a sentiment one can see to a small degree in the American Revolution) but downright anti-religious, which reshaped French thinking considerably in the aftermath.

Very true. I never said that France wasn't influenced by religion all that much at all...it's just that it's culture has persisted to this day much moreso than the idea of French catholicism being of such importance. I get the infrastructure like I mentioned (And it being mentioned it the Civ V and VI's abilities) but from a gameplay/regional perspective...there are just better options for religious civs. And on infrastructure...in Civ, wonders are often cultural...so yeah. And while I would like to say that the French crusading was super impactful (I guess it was linguistically), I mean most famous crusaders are English (Dicky the Banned-from-the-Zoo), Germans (Barbarossa who made it into VI), or Italians (Everyone's favorite Venetian). Yes I'm sure that some Henry or Louis had a good run of things and their troops were vital...but I can't see that being a strong enough character to make a more crusade-based/religious bonus.


"Peaceful" is not how I would describe East Asian history. Or any history. Put another way: ask the Koreans if East Asian history has been peaceful.

Lol that was cherry picked...I meant peaceful when I should have said "scientific", "cultural", or "diplomatic". Basically I was just trying to illustrate how if all the civs in a certain region have the same bonuses, the lines between them start to blur and the non OP ones fall off fast or just end up being boring. Its more dynamic to see different civs specialize in different attributes of their civs history. My middle east example is still the best option regardless of your thoughts on the historical accuracy.


I was talking about the real Sumer, not Gilgabro.

Yeah in Civ VII I hope we ditch Sumaria and but Assyria back in. Babylon is just a bigger deal with less "fictionalized" leaders and it really didn't make sense to have both since they'd play so similarly from a gameplay perspective.


That would be wonderful--but also resource intensive.

That's anecdotalism which, on the Internet, means it's the absolute truth, so for now I'll consider Filipino cuisine is just banana ketchup (please don't hit me)

Well it's banana ketchup on top of pasta. That actually might be different from something called "Filipino spaghetti" which I've tried but being Italian, it is regardless a personal offense XD

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

OK guys we had a nice chat here about Venice and Italy. Now it's time for the beef. Enjoy.

Bloody hell, when did you start this? It's amazing, don't get me wrong, but I cannot see how you could get this done in one week. Then again I exist.