[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

gib my timurids (they’re persianized turks who claimed to be mongols and became indians but you get the idea)

From Central Asia I'll take what I can get because everyone kind of forgets it's there and that it was more than just horse nomads.

 

[tsf4]

Timur would need his elephant bombardiers lol

 

[Henri Christophe]

Timur would need his elephant bombardiers lol

Timur is so amazing, is a kind of leader should be in game just because his own achivmeant.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

The Timurids could actually be a good Trade-oriented Civilization, with a Domination and Military focus under Tamerlane and a more Scientific and Cultural focus under either Shar Rukh or Ulugh Beg.

 

[Yudhisthira]

I'm still pushing Sogdia led by Oxyartes, but frankly I'll take any Iranian Silk Road polity.

I would love to have Bactria-Sodia civ but with a different leader with less Greek connection.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Definitely agree that Bactria and Sogdia are a big gap in the game's civs but Afghan civ from late the Medieval period til the intervention of European colonial powers would also be a solid choice.

Ahmad Shah Duranni and Mahmud of Ghazna are absolutely fascinating leaders from the Afghanistan region which deserve to lead Afghanistan and the Ghaznavids in civ respectively

 

[Zaarin]

I would love to have Bactria-Sodia civ but with a different leader with less Greek connection.

I'd be happy for a less Hellenocentric leader. I just suggest Oxyartes/Huxšaϑra because he has some degree of name recognition.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I'd be happy for a less Hellenocentric leader. I just suggest Oxyartes/Huxšaϑra because he has some degree of name recognition.

holy moly how do you pronounce that second name

 

[Zaarin]

holy moly how do you pronounce that second name

/huxʃaθra/--hookh-shath-ra

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Ahmad Shah Duranni

Ahmad Shah Durrani of the Afghan Empire

Spoiler :

Leader Ability: Durr-i-Durran
Cities not founded by Afghanistan with a Governor gain +2 Culture, +2 Loyalty, and +1 Amenity for every Promotion the Governor has. Cities not founded by Afghanistan don’t lose Amenities and Loyalty if Durrani has Grievances with the Founder.

Civilization Ability: Graveyard of Empires
Enemy Units in Afghan Territory lose -2 HP per turn for every adjacent Hills and Mountain Tiles.

Unique Unit: Pashtun
Afghan Unique Industrial Era Recon Unique Unit that replaces the Ranger.
Starts with a free Promotion. +4 Combat Strength when fighting in Hills.

Production Cost: 365

Gold Cost: 1,460

Gold Maintenance: 4

Movement Points: 3

Combat Strength: 42

Ranged Strength: 65

Range: 2

Sight Range: 3

Unique Infrastructure: Kalle
Afghan Unique District that replaces the Neighborhood.
Functions as a normal Neighborhood.
Provides Food, Gold, and Culture for every Trade Route in this City.

Production Cost: 27

+3 Gold

+2 Food

+2 Culture

+1 Gold, Food, and Culture for every Trade Route from other Civilizations going through this City

+2 Gold and Culture for every Civilization that has a Trade Post in this City

+1 Trade Route Capacity

Leader Agenda: Ahmad Shah Baba
Will conquer many Cities and will try to keep the Citizens in them Loyal and Happy. Likes Civilizations that keep Citizens in their conquered Cities Loyal and Happy, and dislikes those who struggle to keep them Loyal and Happy.

Greeting: I am Ahmad Shah Durrani, Pearl of Pearls and Shah of Afghanistan. Choose your steps in our kingdom carefully.

Agenda Approval: All who bow before you reap generous rewards, and all who oppose you are crushed. Exactly what I do.

Agenda Disapproval: You take everything from the various peoples you have conquered, yet you never bother to give the people anything.

Attacked: Look, fool, at those who have tried before you! You will know the might of the Afghans before I allow you to concede.

Declares War on You: Now the time for war! I shall claim your throne as my own, and end your failure of a kingdom!

Defeated: Empires are like grains of sand. Sooner or later, the wind shall blow them away. Now, the wind takes mine.

You're welcome, and what do you think?

 

[InsidiousMage]

Ahmad Shah Duranni and Mahmud of Ghazna are absolutely fascinating leaders from the Afghanistan region which deserve to lead Afghanistan and the Ghaznavids in civ respectively

I feel like a lot of the good Central Asian choices would be considered a little too "short lived" or not "big enough" on the part of Firaxis given that the games tend to bias towards the "great" civilizations of history, to the games' detriment.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Ahmad Shah Durrani of the Afghan Empire

Spoiler :

Leader Ability: Durr-i-Durran
Cities not founded by Afghanistan with a Governor gain +2 Culture, +2 Loyalty, and +1 Amenity for every Promotion the Governor has. Cities not founded by Afghanistan don’t lose Amenities and Loyalty if Durrani has Grievances with the Founder.

Civilization Ability: Graveyard of Empires
Enemy Units in Afghan Territory lose -2 HP per turn for every adjacent Hills and Mountain Tiles.

Unique Unit: Pashtun
Afghan Unique Industrial Era Recon Unique Unit that replaces the Ranger.
Starts with a free Promotion. +4 Combat Strength when fighting in Hills.

Production Cost: 365

Gold Cost: 1,460

Gold Maintenance: 4

Movement Points: 3

Combat Strength: 42

Ranged Strength: 65

Range: 2

Sight Range: 3

Unique Infrastructure: Kalle
Afghan Unique District that replaces the Neighborhood.
Functions as a normal Neighborhood.
Provides Food, Gold, and Culture for every Trade Route in this City.

Production Cost: 27

+3 Gold

+2 Food

+2 Culture

+1 Gold, Food, and Culture for every Trade Route from other Civilizations going through this City

+2 Gold and Culture for every Civilization that has a Trade Post in this City

+1 Trade Route Capacity

Leader Agenda: Ahmad Shah Baba
Will conquer many Cities and will try to keep the Citizens in them Loyal and Happy. Likes Civilizations that keep Citizens in their conquered Cities Loyal and Happy, and dislikes those who struggle to keep them Loyal and Happy.

Greeting: I am Ahmad Shah Durrani, Pearl of Pearls and Shah of Afghanistan. Choose your steps in our kingdom carefully.

Agenda Approval: All who bow before you reap generous rewards, and all who oppose you are crushed. Exactly what I do.

Agenda Disapproval: You take everything from the various peoples you have conquered, yet you never bother to give the people anything.

Attacked: Look, fool, at those who have tried before you! You will know the might of the Afghans before I allow you to concede.

Declares War on You: Now the time for war! I shall claim your throne as my own, and end your failure of a kingdom!

Defeated: Empires are like grains of sand. Sooner or later, the wind shall blow them away. Now, the wind takes mine.

You're welcome, and what do you think?

i like this conquering in order to win a culture win idea

i’d maybe go with the Zamburak as the Afghan UU and the Pashtun as an LUU, since Ahmad Shah is generally considered the first great chief of the Pashtuns, would speak Pashto, and having a Pashtun as a UU would really come full circle.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I feel like a lot of the good Central Asian choices would be considered a little too "short lived" or not "big enough" on the part of Firaxis given that the games tend to bias towards the "great" civilizations of history, to the games' detriment.

I mean... they did put Gran Colombia which fell within 2 decades, so I don't see why Afghanistan wouldn't be considered by the devs.

 

[Zaarin]

would speak Pashtun

The people are Pashtun, the language is Pashto.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I feel like a lot of the good Central Asian choices would be considered a little too "short lived" or not "big enough" on the part of Firaxis given that the games tend to bias towards the "great" civilizations of history, to the games' detriment.

the Afghan kingdoms, particularly the Ghaznavids and Afghanistan proper, are probably their best choice. It’s just an issue if they pick exclusively a Ghaznavid to lead Afghanistan since they’re neither Persian nor Pashtun, but rather Turkic. Though, if Civ counts the Ghaznavids into Afghanistan, I would argue Afghanistan is more than worthy of both Ahmad Shah Duranni and Mahmud of Ghazna as dual leaders

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

i like this conquering in order to win a culture win idea

i’d maybe go with the Zamburak as the Afghan UU and the Pashtun as an LUU, since Ahmad Shah is generally considered the first great chief of the Pashtuns, would speak Pashtun, and having a Pashtun as a UU would really come full circle.

I gave the Zamburak to my Mughal idea, so it's a bit too late for that. I wanted to portray Afghanistan that, while it would use a popular stereotype, would use said stereotype well.

The people are Pashtun, the language is Pashto.

That is indeed why I chose the Pashtun as the UU.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I gave the Zamburak to my Mughal idea, so it's a bit too late for that. I wanted to portray Afghanistan that, while it would use a popular stereotype, would use said stereotype wel

given how famous they were for artillery, i would’ve gone mughal artillery for the mughal UU

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

given how famous they were for artillery, i would’ve gone mughal artillery for the mughal UU

It was used by Mughals, it was a form of self-propelled artillery, hence, Mughal Artillery as a UU. I also like to stay away from generic terms like "Mughal Artillery." I like flavor in my Civs, thank you very much.

 

[InsidiousMage]

I mean... they did put Gran Colombia which fell within 2 decades, so I don't see why Afghanistan wouldn't be considered by the devs.

I would image that Simon Bolivar being the leader of Gran Colombia would have a lot to do with that. It really feels like a Bolivar civ, not a South American civ, which makes sense as I doubt there is another country so linked to one man.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Time to pull out the good ol’ Mughal design i made a long time ago

Mughals: Akbar


LA: the Wise Court of Akbar: Unlocks Unique Governor Birbal. Each city gets +2 science for every religion in it


UA: The Peacock Throne: All cities gain +2 culture per turn, +2 science for each assigned governor applied in your empire


UI: Mughal Gardens: built by a builder, cannot be built adjacent to another Mughal Garden. +1 food, +2 culture, +1 science on this tile. +2 food after research of sanitization. Must be built on flat grasslands, plains or desert.


UU: Mughal Artillery: Replaces Bombard. +10 strength compared to a bombard. Costs -15 production compared to a Bombard


UG: Birbal: 2-2-1 format


Start Title: Mantri: city gains +1 culture per specialty district building


1st Upgrade title: Kavi Priya : Theatre Squares next to City centers provide double adjacency bonuses


1st Upgrade title: Raja: all encampments can attack twice


2nd Upgrade title: Minister of Din-i-Ilahi: city gains +1 science for every follower of a religion that the Mughals did not found


2nd Upgrade title: One of the Navaratna: +3 gold for every follower of a religion that the Mughals did not found.


Final Upgrade: Brightest Jewel of the Ratnas: unlocks the Mughal Fort Inprovement, which yields +2 gold, +2 science, +2 culture, and acts like a fort.

I also like to stay away from generic terms like "Mughal Artillery." I like flavor in my Civs, thank you very much

well if you reall want, we can plug it into google translate for urdu and see what it says...they didn’t really have a formalized name afaik