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[AriochIV]

the DLC in the founders edition aren't launch-day content though, only the personas are. Not sure what the 6th persona would be, I think there are 2 from Deluxe, 2 from Founders, and Napoleon for a total of 5. So that would mean 22 leaders, but we overshot the real count with our expectations before, so I'm still cautious about actually hoping for so many leaders. Also, we only had eight first looks despite already knowing four more leaders, so 22 leaders would mean 14 more first look videos, which would mean eventually getting more than one per week, so I'm not convinced yet.

Napoleon is 2 personas. There isn't a "base" Napoleon; both his versions are referred to on the official site as personas.

 

[gdr_willter]

the DLC in the founders edition aren't launch-day content though, only the personas are. Not sure what the 6th persona would be, I think there are 2 from Deluxe, 2 from Founders, and Napoleon for a total of 5. So that would mean 22 leaders, but we overshot the real count with our expectations before, so I'm still cautious about actually hoping for so many leaders. Also, we only had eight first looks despite already knowing four more leaders, so 22 leaders would mean 14 more first look videos, which would mean eventually getting more than one per week, so I'm not convinced yet.

I just counted both versions of Napoleon as persona, it doesn't change the total number. (6 leaders and 5 personas in your case)

I also hope that FXS didn't counted the DLC leaders who will be released till September 2025, but I want to minimize my expectation.

 

[JNR13]

Napoleon is 2 personas. There isn't a "base" Napoleon; both his versions are referred to on the official site as personas.

I think that's the case for all leaders with personas? So I guess we're looking at 10 personas in total, not 6. But that's just confusing when "17 leaders, 10 personas" really means 22 leaders included. I think it makes sense to count leaders and then *extra* personas.

 

[GeneralZift]

Abbasids evolve into ? At the modern age?
Are we getting Arabs or some equivalent there?

 

[Krikkit1]

Abbasids evolve into ? At the modern age?
Are we getting Arabs or some equivalent there?

Unknown but they probably unlock Mughals and possibly Buganda (those are likely from what is known about Modern)

 

[stealth_nsk]

Napoleon is 2 personas. There isn't a "base" Napoleon; both his versions are referred to on the official site as personas.

Same as Ashoka. While you could consider the one coming in vanilla game a "base", technically they both are equal personas

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think that -just for the sake of convention- one of a leader's personae should be regarded as the "default" or regular version, while the other is the alt persona. Therefore, both Napoleon and his alt persona are day 1 bonus content.

Now for the argument about which Napoleon should be considered default, I don't know.

 

[Rac]

Now for the argument about which Napoleon should be considered default, I don't know.

I mean, the Emperor persona requires another full game so... Revolutionary one is the default IMO

 

[stealth_nsk]

I think that -just for the sake of convention- one of a leader's personae should be regarded as the "default" or regular version, while the other is the alt persona. Therefore, both Napoleon and his alt persona are day 1 bonus content.

Now for the argument about which Napoleon should be considered default, I don't know.

Well, that's the matter of personal preference. I don't see a reason to have "default" persona. And I really hope Firaxis don't have such idea either.

 

[chaosprophet]

From my previous count, I think we may get 20 leaders/personas in base game, 1 preorder dlc leader, napoleon 2 personas, and the 4 content pack personas for 27 leaders/personas available at release. My current guess is that the base game leaders are likely all unique, between themselves, with additional versions being only part of the non base game content, which if true would mean 22 unique leaders at release (20 base game, Napoleon, Tecumseh).

 

[Lord Lakely]

I'm pretty sure you can calculate, mathematically how many leaders we'll get.

Every leader has two possible Civs per era and each Civ appears to have two possible default leaders.

So 10 Civs per Era => 20 leaders in base? And each leader has 6 historical choices in total (2 per era).

I'm poor at maths, so I'm not sure if this works out, but looking at it with strictly the Antiquity Civs (without the additional personas)

Egypt: Hatshepsut or Amina
Aksum: Hatsepsut or Amina
Maurya: Ashoka or (??)
Khmer: Ashoka or Trung Trac
Han: Confucius or (??) (Himiko?)
Persia: Xerxes or (??)
Mississipians: ?? or ?? (+Tecumseh in DLC)
Maya: ?? or ??
Rome: Augustus or ?? (+Napoleon in DLC)
Greece: Machiavelli or Franklin

For each leader we know they have the following historical choices:

Augustus: Rome, Spain, French Empire
Hatshepsut: Aksum, Egypt, Abbasid, Buganda
Amina: Aksum, Egypt, Songhai, Buganda
Franklin: Rome, Greece, Norman, (United States)
Macchiavelli: Greece, Norman
Napoleon: Rome, Norman, French Empire
Tecumseh: Mississipian, Shawnee
Ashoka: Maurya, Khmer, Chola, Mughal
Confucius: Han, (Ming), (Qing)
Trung Trac: Khmer
Himiko: Majapahit, Meiji
Xerxes: Persia, Abbasid

so from this I would infer the following information:

(1) No historical choices for Mongolia and Maya yet, meaning that those leaders are yet to follow.
(2) All Euro leaders so far are male. One of the, Napoleon is missable free DLC. Another, Franklin, arguably doesn't even count as he's the American leader. I think we're due one more Euro leader and whoever it is, they're likely to be female
(3) Amina and Hatshepsut are the only leaders in Africa and Hatshepsut is tied to west-Asian Civs due to her Egyptian status. We could get another one there, and I would suspect this leader to be male.
(4) Napoleon and Franklin are the ONLY modern leader so far. This feels like a low number, and I would expect at least two more (maybe following the criteria above).

Right now we have twelve (including Napoleon and Tecumseh) and I don't believe we're getting many more. I would suspect at least three more, maybe four? An American leader of sorts (Monty, Bolivar, Pachacuti or someone else entirely), a female Euro leader (Isabella, Elizabeth, Victoria, Jeanne d'Arc, Marie Curie) and a leader for Mongolia (Genghis Khan, Tamerlane) would be my guesses for the three unrevealed leaders that I think we're 100% due.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It appears to me that some regions, particularly outside of Europe, the Mideast, and East Asia will get one regional leader in the base game.

So, Sub-Saharan Africa has Amina. South Asia has Ashoka. Southeast Asia has Trung Trac.

I'm expecting Central/South America to have a regional leader, possibly Montezuma, but maybe someone like Bolivar or Tupac Amaru II.

I'm also expecting Oceania to have a single leader.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm pretty sure you can calculate, mathematically how many leaders we'll get.

Every leader has two possible Civs per era and each Civ appears to have two possible default leaders.

So 10 Civs per Era => 20 leaders in base? And each leader has 6 historical choices in total (2 per era).

I'm poor at maths, so I'm not sure if this works out, but looking at it with strictly the Antiquity Civs (without the additional personas)

Egypt: Hatshepsut or Amina
Aksum: Hatsepsut or Amina
Maurya: Ashoka or (??)
Khmer: Ashoka or Trung Trac
Han: Confucius or (??) (Himiko?)
Persia: Xerxes or (??)
Mississipians: ?? or ?? (+Tecumseh in DLC)
Maya: ?? or ??
Rome: Augustus or ?? (+Napoleon in DLC)
Greece: Machiavelli or Franklin

For each leader we know they have the following historical choices:

Augustus: Rome, Spain, French Empire
Hatshepsut: Aksum, Egypt, Abbasid, Buganda
Amina: Aksum, Egypt, Songhai, Buganda
Franklin: Rome, Greece, Norman, (United States)
Macchiavelli: Greece, Norman
Napoleon: Rome, Norman, French Empire
Tecumseh: Mississipian, Shawnee
Ashoka: Maurya, Khmer, Chola, Mughal
Confucius: Han, (Ming), (Qing)
Trung Trac: Khmer
Himiko: Majapahit, Meiji
Xerxes: Persia, Abbasid

so from this I would infer the following information:

(1) No historical choices for Mongolia and Maya yet, meaning that those leaders are yet to follow.
(2) All Euro leaders so far are male. One of the, Napoleon is missable free DLC. Another, Franklin, arguably doesn't even count as he's the American leader. I think we're due one more Euro leader and whoever it is, they're likely to be female
(3) Amina and Hatshepsut are the only leaders in Africa and Hatshepsut is tied to west-Asian Civs due to her Egyptian status. We could get another one there, and I would suspect this leader to be male.
(4) Napoleon and Franklin are the ONLY modern leader so far. This feels like a low number, and I would expect at least two more (maybe following the criteria above).

Right now we have twelve (including Napoleon and Tecumseh) and I don't believe we're getting many more. I would suspect at least three more, maybe four? An American leader of sorts (Monty, Bolivar, Pachacuti or someone else entirely), a female Euro leader (Isabella, Elizabeth, Victoria, Jeanne d'Arc, Marie Curie) and a leader for Mongolia (Genghis Khan, Tamerlane) would be my guesses for the three unrevealed leaders that I think we're 100% due.

They have mentioned that it was a mistake not having Genghis in the base game in past games, so I fully expect Genghis to make it in.
I also feel like Confucius will be the other leader for Mongolia, they just haven’t mentioned it yet. Maybe that will happen in the Genghis reveal trailer and could lead Han and Ming China too.

If Germany or Russia doesn’t show up as civs in the base game they could give us Catherine the Great.

 

[Xandinho]

My guesses for the remaining leaders: Genghis Khan, Montezuma for Latin America, Kamehameha I for Oceania, and if there’s another female leader, my bet is on Catherine or Isabella, as neither of them appeared in Civ6. So, I’d say there’s a good chance one of them will make a return right at the Civ7 launch.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

The leaders I'm expecting the most are:
Exploration civs:
Genghis Khan
Kamehameha or Lili'uokalani
Montezuma (C/S America region)
Isabella

Modern civs:
Bismarck
Gandhi (because meme)
A British female not-head-of-state leader like Emmaline Pankhurst or Mary Wollstonecraft

 

[Lord Lakely]

They have mentioned that it was a mistake not having Genghis in the base game in past games, so I fully expect Genghis to make it in.
I also feel like Confucius will be the other leader for Mongolia, they just haven’t mentioned it yet. Maybe that will happen in the Genghis reveal trailer and could lead Han and Ming China too.

If Germany or Russia doesn’t show up as civs in the base game they could give us Catherine the Great.

I would agree? Genghis is another leader that suffers from oversaturization for me, but I expect him to be in as Mongolia's default leader.

I doubt Kong defaults to Mongolia as a back-up option. I suspect he's Ming and Majapahit. Xerxes could default to Mongolia though, as per his First Look.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Modern civs:
Bismarck
Gandhi (because meme)
A British female not-head-of-state leader like Emmaline Pankhurst or Mary Wollstonecraft

- or Augusta Ada King, Countess Lovelace, the first computer programmer: after all, this IS a computer game!

 

[Xandinho]

I think Maria Theresa also has a strong chance of filling the "European queen" slot. She would somewhat represent both Austria and Germany, given the possibility of the latter not being in the base game.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

- or Augusta Ada King, Countess Lovelace, the first computer programmer: after all, this IS a computer game!

If they really want to lean into science.

One thing we've noticed about the "thought leaders" is that while they were not heads of state, they were politically involved rather than exclusively focused in other areas. Philosophers, rebels, diplomats, or leaders of minor factions. I'm not expecting many breakaways from that pattern.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

If they really want to lean into science.

One thing we've noticed about the "thought leaders" is that while they were not heads of state, they were politically involved rather than exclusively focused in other areas. Philosophers, rebels, diplomats, or leaders of minor factions. I'm not expecting many breakaways from that pattern.

In that case, there are some tangentally-political names from British modern history, like Wilberforce, Rhodes*, Beaverbrook.

But I think they would be foolish to overlook some of the 19th century/early 20th century Prime Ministers, like Palmerston, Disraeli, Lloyd George: big personalities all, and each with an entirely different set of 'agendas' to draw on for in-game abilities.

* = probably the most potentially inflammatory and controversial, given his Imperialistic Legacy.