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[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Prussia instead of Germany? sighs of a fourth era.

Kingdom of Prussia lasted from 1701-1918. I still expect the latter civics and attributes based on the German Empire.

 

[chaosprophet]

Britain is more likely to be a civ added to Modern in the near future, possibly very near future. If they do a 4th age, they could always have it be The United Kingdom. Germany one is only less likely because there is already it in modern in the form of Prussia.

I think seeing this as a sign of a 4th era is premature. It could also be there to distinguish the civ from a previous one. Civs who did not exist in the exploration age in any form - America and Mexico - do not have any adjustment in their name to allow for a 4th era succession. Surely America would be back in a 4th age and they'd be called Yankees or Thirteen Colonies or Congressional America or so in the 3rd age in that case?

America could just be the United States.

 

[JNR13]

Britain is more likely to be a civ added to Modern in the near future, possibly very near future. If they do a 4th age, they could always have it be The United Kingdom. Germany one is only less likely because there is already it in modern in the form of Prussia.

America could just be the United States.

And so could Mexico!

 

[Ebon-Hawke-]

I think seeing this as a sign of a 4th era is premature. It could also be there to distinguish the civ from a previous one. Civs who did not exist in the exploration age in any form - America and Mexico - do not have any adjustment in their name to allow for a 4th era succession. Surely America would be back in a 4th age and they'd be called Yankees or Thirteen Colonies or Congressional America or so in the 3rd age in that case?

Germany was broken into even more smaller states at earlier points in history or combined in other larger states such as the Holy Roman Empire. So I don't think your point really stands there, no earlier age civ would be called Germany

 

[Xandinho]

Furthermore, with the inclusion of Jose Rizal, the Philippines may well be the representative of the fourth era of Southeast Asia.

 

[Lord Yanaek]

As much as i like to see hints of a 4th age everywhere, i don't think Prussia is one of them.
With "modern" age ending sometime around or shortly after WW2, Germany didn't really have the opportunity to be a world actor outside of Nazi Germany, which we are very unlikely to see in a Civ game (as much as i would like to see some real bad guys for a change). Prussia, while a big warmongering civilization on it's own, is far more "politically correct" for that period than Germany could be.

 

[stealth_nsk]

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So, mementos system is not only questionable by itself, but it also have mementos as stupid as "Walking stick". Sad.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

As much as i like to see hints of a 4th age everywhere, i don't think Prussia is one of them.
With "modern" age ending sometime around or shortly after WW2, Germany didn't really have the opportunity to be a world actor outside of Nazi Germany, which we are very unlikely to see in a Civ game (as much as i would like to see some real bad guys for a change). Prussia, while a big warmongering civilization on it's own, is far more "politically correct" for that period than Germany could be.

I also don't think they would have given Russia a Soviet Era unit, if they planned on giving us the Soviet Union later in the 4th age.

 

[JNR13]

Germany was broken into even more smaller states at earlier points in history or combined in other larger states such as the Holy Roman Empire. So I don't think your point really stands there, no earlier age civ would be called Germany

Yet in earlier games those time periods have been summarized in a civ called "Germany". And "Germany" would make sense for the HRE to avoid a clunky name. There was the Regnum Teutonicum, or "German Empire", inside the HRE, specifying the parts that aren't Italy.

 

[Krikkit1]

I also don't think they would have given Russia a Soviet Era unit, if they planned on giving us the Soviet Union later in the 4th age.

Han got a Ming great person

 

[Rac]

Welp, I lost my bet, Prussia in and Britain... So, also José Rizal is a thing, and the extras personas went to Frederick and Himiko

Anyways, it will take a bit to update things but that will happen latter today

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yet in earlier games those time periods have been summarized in a civ called "Germany". And "Germany" would make sense for the HRE to avoid a clunky name. There was the Regnum Teutonicum, or "German Empire", inside the HRE, specifying the parts that aren't Italy.

By calling the civ Prussia, the devs opened up the pool of attributes by about 200 years more. Focusing on the German Empire would have only included uniques and abilities for about 50 years. This is probably a good reason why they did that, considering all previous games they had all of Germanic history available to cover.

 

[Archanist]

So that dream about Jose Rizal was right? And it was Prussia, all along. Sorry to steal your thunder @Eagle Pursuit.

I think Jose Rizal might want to stay in SEA or possibly go from Hawaii and Mexico as well, based off of what I know about the Philippines. Spanish speaking islands in the Pacific.

They don't speak Spanish anymore

 

[JNR13]

By calling the civ Prussia, the devs opened up the pool of attributes by about 200 years more. Focusing on the German Empire would have only included uniques and abilities for about 50 years. This is probably a good reason why they did that, considering all previous games they had all of Germanic history available to cover.

I think they could've called it "Germany" and still take uniques from earlier. German nationalism is about half a century older than the German Empire, and even before that, an idea of "Germany" existed. But yes, Prussia just feels more authentic when next to the Mughals or Qing. It makes the civ feel more connected to the age you're playing by picking a name that *only* appeared during that age.

 

[Hilton1]

Man it feels so good to have been right all along, LOL

Also excited about the twist of it being Prussia and getting a double persona for Frederick though.

Credit to you!

 

[Xandinho]

By calling the civ Prussia, the devs opened up the pool of attributes by about 200 years more. Focusing on the German Empire would have only included uniques and abilities for about 50 years. This is probably a good reason why they did that, considering all previous games they had all of Germanic history available to cover.

Maybe. But look, Han is more than Han, there are several elements of ancient Chinese history that go beyond Han. They could have made a modern German Empire that included elements of Prussia instead of changing the pattern of previous versions of always calling the German civ Germany. They seem to have gone for Prussia because they plan on making a contemporary German civ in the future.

 

[Sagax]

I also don't think they would have given Russia a Soviet Era unit, if they planned on giving us the Soviet Union later in the 4th age.

My wild prediction is that Russia will be one of the civs to be reworked in a future expansion, once they introduce proper Great Works and rework the cultural path. Katyusha will be on the chopping block and replaced with GWAMs. At that point, they can give her to USSR if they’re really going for a 4th age with new civs.

Ironically, one of the stronger arguments against the 4th age civs is the fact that Russia’s theme is already heavily based on Hymn to Red October. Seems like an odd decision if USSR proper is already on the drawing desk, and I doubt a music theme is something you create thinking “It’s okay we’ll just replace it later, ezpz”

 

[JNR13]

My wild prediction is that Russia will be one of the civs to be reworked in a future expansion, once they introduce proper Great Works and rework the cultural path. Katyusha will be on the chopping block and replaced with GWAMs. At that point, they can give her to USSR if they’re really going for a 4th age with new civs.

Ironically, one of the stronger arguments against the 4th age civs is the fact that Russia’s theme is already heavily based on Hymn to Red October. Seems like an odd decision if USSR proper is already on the drawing desk, and I doubt a music theme is something you create thinking “It’s okay we’ll just replace it later, ezpz”

It would also be weird to have 4th age Soviets when the whole deal with the 3rd age is picking your ideology, such as Communism.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Han got a Ming great person

I would say that's a mistake more than anything, it is more likely someone did not do a well-thoughted research when design the Han Great Person list. I fully expected FXS changed it afterwards.

 

[sonicmyst]

I am pleasantly surprised to have Jose Rizal as a playable leader. Sad that Britain / UK might be in for DLC.