stealth_nsk
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Well, leaders aren't tied to civilizations directly, only thematically. Himiko is also as far as possible from Meiji Japan.
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I meant early for a modern leader, actually. Aside from Himiko, I would expect no more leaders from before 1700.
chaosprophet
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Karl Marx would be an interesting addition and an obvious fit for the not only head of states of this game. I think he is likely to be added to the game, at least eventually. Wouldn't be as fan of he being the last base game leader as it would mean another leader to civs which already have at least one, instead of more leader variation in the base game.
stealth_nsk
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Yes, I commenting about this exactly, there's no such thing as modern leaders, there are modern civilizations and their thematic leaders, which often fit the same time period, but don't have to.
He fits fine to get revealed with Buganda (like Himiko was revealed with Japan)…doesn’t seem to be too much info on him though, might be hard to make abilities(regular and agenda) and all his mementos… but as mentioned Fred+Himiko can have 2 remaining extra personas
Yes, but they were also all in before social media was a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jjunju_of_Buganda
There are plenty of other leaders from Buganda that start with J and K. This one seems the most probable as he was known as a great general that increased the wealth of Buganda by conquering neighbors and gaining control of resources. He also reigned in what would be the Modern Period in game.
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The French horse: “Ah, oui, we’ll be okay with help from another warmonger too”
Yeah he might be a better choice, the first king had very little info on him and died at 30
I think we have a bit of a different view on this. Charlemagne got his first look when the exploration age civs were revealed, because he lived during the the exploration age. He wasn't revealed alongside Normans (earlier), France or Germany (later). Same thing for Amina - she got her FL in a time frame when exploration age civs had their go, despite we knew about her since August. Trung Trac was revealed with the Antiquity civs and leaders, because she fitted that age. Hence, I would be surprised to see the FL for an exploration age leader now, when modern civs and leaders are currently revealed. Granted, Himiko is the big exception, but I can see reasons for that.
Could as well be. I mean, I don't want to discount the choice of Buganda, but if someone for some reason had a Bugandan leader in mind (besides leaders not being coupled to civs) that might have been an additional reason to choose Buganda over other subsaharan kingdoms (some of which would have had more name recognition).
j51
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Kwame Nkrumah would just fit at the tail end of the game’s modern age, but they seem to be avoiding twentieth century leaders entirely.
bonafide11
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It's actually weird for him to not be in since they have made leaders less heads of state and more just thought leaders. Of all the versions of Civ, this is the one that most makes sense for him to be in!
Gori the Grey
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That might be part of the joke: here it would finally be legit for us to include him . . . and we don't! Psych.
Why?
See post #609 above
Lord Lakely
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I agree. Associated leaders are tethered to their Associated Civ, otherwise they're revealed in more or less chronological order...
Maybe the last slot really just IS a Mughal leader (Shah Jehan fits the alphabetical order and as a leader thethered to the Mughals would make sense to reveal alongside them).
Maybe the last slot really just IS a Mughal leader (Shah Jehan fits the alphabetical order and as a leader thethered to the Mughals would make sense to reveal alongside them).
Siam got their game guide today, confirming Doi Suthep is their associated wonder... But the major news was that with the last Dev Diary we saw the full list of leaders in vanilla in alphabetical order, being those 19 with 2 leaders still not revealed, if you count Napoleon (free DLC) and Tecumseh (pre-order bonus/paid DLC) the total number at launch is 21 leaders. As said, the list is in alphabetical order, and the missing leaders are between Confucious to Harriet Tubman and Isabella to Lafayette, that gives a ton of weight to that Friedrich (the Great) mention by the ESRB rating... So some edidts, besides Kamehameha and Kublai Khan the other people mentioned that could be leaders do not fit the possible slots so they are on possible near DLC category now, also Siam description mentions Lanna, Laos and Malaya so these are going there too.
Or... it could be that personas don't earn Legends points or Mementos, or at least don't do so independently of the base leader.
RockTheCazbah87
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I can't remember where I saw it (elsewhere on CFC or r/civ) but Sarah mentioned that each persona has an independent Legends track.
Maybe #15 is Julius Caesar? The exclusive personas in the deluxe and founder editions could then be a special version of Caesar, which could explain why they did not reveal him with the Antiquity age but kept him hidden for a final reveal of the deluxe/founder exclusive personas. I also think that exclusive versions of Caesar would be a nice incentive for the deluxe and founder editions.
Or can Caesar already be ruled out for other reasons?
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