Clown Car IV: The Dotard and Dunce Parade

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Saw the same thing when they played at Soldier Field.
 
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Pre-emptively, I'll say that CFCers don't count.
 
hobbsyoyo said:
I don't think Lexicus intends to let that happen. He's said over and over he's going to vote Democratic in the general. I think it's a question of enthusiasm and how far we all pursue our own purity tests. I think you (and I and a lot of others) are carrying a lot of anxiety because that influential people like Lexicus won't be sufficiently motivated and enthusiastic in the general and even if he votes, he might unwittingly influence others to sit it out. Or maybe I'm projecting but that's certainly how I feel whenever I see him going off on a leading Democrat for their various failings. And I think we even agree with him that those failings are important and we all should care, it's just a disagreement of how loudly we complain about it.
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Yeah, I'm frankly concerned that a lot of voters will just throw the election if a conservative Democrat wins the nomination, which would lock us into a most likely permanent one-party dictatorship. Even the worst Democrat is more survivable than Trump.

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Yeah, see to me this is just a really implausible needle you're threading, if that makes sense.
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How's it implausible? While Trump has seized a lot of power, he does not yet have total control over the judiciary and SCOTUS. It's still possible to win for Democrats. If he wins in 2020, Republican power will be effectively invincible after four more years of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and courts rubberstamping his every abuse of power.

Well, I repeatedly knocking on strangers' doors to convince them to vote for flaccid centrist Democrats was a kind of shock therapy that annihliated a good deal of my social anxiety, and it's gotten easier over time but man it was really hard when I first started doing it....it was not easy.
And I'm not a paid canvasser, or not exactly: my normal job isn't canvassing but since I'm on union staff I get "deployed" to canvass.
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Yeah, it's good that you're doing that. Between my social anxiety, my near inability to feel enthusiasm or excitement, and my impatience for the indifferent, I could never do that.


Well, I don't know if I can bring myself to actually vote for Biden or Buttigieg but it really doesn't matter because of the electoral college. Actually, I think trying to convince people to vote for the Democrat in the "in play" states is probably worth a lot more than your own vote if you live in a safely Democratic state. The only thing voting for the Democrat does if you live in CA, DC, etc. is add to the popular vote margin. The popular vote margin is a nice message but I've learned from the Republicans and I don't want to send messages, I want to "send messages" by winning and ruthlessly exercising power.
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Unfortunately, I live in a blue island in a sea of solid Republicans, and it will probably stay this way until the end of the Union. Maybe the popular vote helps with moderates a little, if anything can make a moderate care about anything, but I'd have to agree with you about what messages to send.
 
"This has been happening long before I got there. You know, under President Obama you had [family] separation. I was the one that ended it... I ended separation. I inherited separation from President Obama."
-- Trump
 
Stuff I read on reddit this morning that I haven't had a chance to confirm -

Barr shut down 7 of the 10 investigations that Mueller started within days of Mueller turning over his report.

Trump has been complaining in private about how unfair the US-Japan joint defense treaty is.

Who needs a Putin to destroy the country when you've got Trump?

Phrossack said:
Yeah, I'm frankly concerned that a lot of voters will just throw the election if a conservative Democrat wins the nomination, which would lock us into a most likely permanent one-party dictatorship. Even the worst Democrat is more survivable than Trump.
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There was a guy on Bill Maher last week who has correctly predicted every election except 2000 that went on the show to talk about the leading indicators for an incumbent to lose an election. He said that purity tests and massive in-fighting for the party out of power has no correlation with election success. This isn't true for incumbents and a primary fight for Trump would be a big indicator that he's going to lose. It gives me hope but only so much.
 
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hobbsyoyo said:
There was a guy on Bill Maher last week who has correctly predicted every election except 2000 that went on the show to talk about the leading indicators for an incumbent to lose an election. He said that purity tests and massive in-fighting for the party out of power has no correlation with election success. This isn't true for incumbents and a primary fight for Trump would be a big indicator that he's going to lose. It gives me hope but only so much.
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There's not going to be any significant primary fight for Trump. Bill Weld is running, but nobody's even heard of him. Kasich is the one who could really bruise Trump in a primary, but he doesn't seem to be running.
 
Kyriakos said:
Hm, I didn't even know you could have a primary fight with a president that runs again. Is it allowed but just almost never happens?
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It is allowed yes.
 
Phrossack said:
Yeah, I'm frankly concerned that a lot of voters will just throw the election if a conservative Democrat wins the nomination, which would lock us into a most likely permanent one-party dictatorship. Even the worst Democrat is more survivable than Trump.

How's it implausible? While Trump has seized a lot of power, he does not yet have total control over the judiciary and SCOTUS. It's still possible to win for Democrats. If he wins in 2020, Republican power will be effectively invincible after four more years of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and courts rubberstamping his every abuse of power.

Yeah, it's good that you're doing that. Between my social anxiety, my near inability to feel enthusiasm or excitement, and my impatience for the indifferent, I could never do that.


Unfortunately, I live in a blue island in a sea of solid Republicans, and it will probably stay this way until the end of the Union. Maybe the popular vote helps with moderates a little, if anything can make a moderate care about anything, but I'd have to agree with you about what messages to send.
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the SCOTUS is not going to turn the country into a dictatorship. Gorsuch and Thomas both voted against Republicans in the VA gerrymandering case. Worrying they're going to help Trump become a dictator is hyperbolic absurdity.

Throwing a vote at someone you fundamentally disagree with because he/she might be better than the other guy isn't going to help the issues you care about in the long run. It only encourages Democrats to keep spitting on their leftwing base.
 
Socrates99 said:
the SCOTUS is not going to turn the country into a dictatorship. Gorsuch and Thomas both voted against Republicans in the VA gerrymandering case. Worrying they're going to help Trump become a dictator is hyperbolic absurdity.

Throwing a vote at someone you fundamentally disagree with because he/she might be better than the other guy isn't going to help the issues you care about in the long run. It only encourages Democrats to keep spitting on their leftwing base.
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There is always room for more extreme right-wing justices in the SCOTUS, and Trump's just getting started. More worrying is his extremely rapid filling of Federal judge positions with judges hand-picked for their right-wing tendencies and youth to guarantee far-right rulings for decades to come, and Trump's appointment of people like Barr, who apparently shut down seven out of ten investigations opened up after Mueller's report. Combine that with the White House instructions to ignore subpoenas, Trump's pardoning of extremists like Arpaio, Trump's constant demands for things like extra years beyond his terms, Trump's idolization of dictators specifically for being dictators, Trump's constant warnings to his worshipers that the Democrats seek to "destroy" them, the far-right Christian Day of Prayer recently in which preachers called on God to "destroy" Trump's "enemies," and his firing of anyone who tries to defy him like Comey, and it's patently obvious that he is working towards one-party rule backed by the violence of far-right militias and sympathizers. It's not even slightly hyperbole.

And then you have the far-right militias threatening terrorism in Oregon as part of a concerted effort with Republican state senators to shut down the government by force. They're going to spread this tactic to other states if this keeps up until it's a national and official Republican strategy.

Sulking on election day because your candidate didn't win the primary only helps the Republicans further cement power until nothing short of civil war could possibly hope to break it.
 
Phrossack said:
There is always room for more extreme right-wing justices in the SCOTUS, and Trump's just getting started. More worrying is his extremely rapid filling of Federal judge positions with judges hand-picked for their right-wing tendencies and youth to guarantee far-right rulings for decades to come, and Trump's appointment of people like Barr, who apparently shut down seven out of ten investigations opened up after Mueller's report. Combine that with the White House instructions to ignore subpoenas, Trump's pardoning of extremists like Arpaio, Trump's constant demands for things like extra years beyond his terms, Trump's idolization of dictators specifically for being dictators, Trump's constant warnings to his worshipers that the Democrats seek to "destroy" them, the far-right Christian Day of Prayer recently in which preachers called on God to "destroy" Trump's "enemies," and his firing of anyone who tries to defy him like Comey, and it's patently obvious that he is working towards one-party rule backed by the violence of far-right militias and sympathizers. It's not even slightly hyperbole.

And then you have the far-right militias threatening terrorism in Oregon as part of a concerted effort with Republican state senators to shut down the government by force. They're going to spread this tactic to other states if this keeps up until it's a national and official Republican strategy.

Sulking on election day because your candidate didn't win the primary only helps the Republicans further cement power until nothing short of civil war could possibly hope to break it.
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Gorsuch literally is one of those handpicked judges. It's the primary reason I bring up that case. The case is about Republicans rigging the district mapping in their favor to keep power and a Trump appointee voted against them. Claiming these guys are going to turn Trump into a dictator is the definition of hyperbole.
 
But it's too important to leave to chance.
 
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