Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[GenMarshall]

I'm not the one liking the post of an admitted fascist

I'm just going to go out on a limb and just presume that your definition of "fascist" is "someone who I strongly strongly disagree with". I'm just going to leave that to Patine since I'm sure he's already been summoned with the use of that word a million times.

or creating a farcical narrative solely to pretend you are persecuted because someone said something mean on the internet.

Make one statement to describe the woke left, the populist right, and the entrenched establishment political class. And you get accused of fabricating a "farcical narrative". Give me a break .

You keep telling us about how you are a recovering anti-SJW/Gamergate/whatever; but all I ever see is you sympathizing with those groups.

And this all relates to my comment to Kyriakos how?

 

[Ajidica]

I'm just going to go out on a limb and just presume that your definition of "fascist" is "someone who I strongly strongly disagree with". I'm just going to leave that to Patine since I'm sure he's already been summoned with the use of that word a million times.

Nah, talking about Hamid in this case.

Make one statement to describe the woke left, the populist right, and the entrenched establishment political class. And you get accused of fabricating a "farcical narrative". Give me a break .

No, you said those are the only groups in the US. No indication was given that you consider those to be a handful of many political/social interest groups in the US. You have a history of putting forward narratives that only seem to consist of imagining yourself under some sort of persecution by "woke/SJW" people who were mean to you on the internet, and therefore it is a completely rational response in supporting the alt-reich.

 

[Estebonrober]

Oh look the stupid media finally got the stupid people to lead a stupid insurrection!

@GenMarshall you can just change "Populist Right" to "Stupid Right" then I think you pretty much got it.

 

[Estebonrober]

As I've said, it seems all modern American "political activism," that isn't corrupt, moneyed lobby and special interest groups bribing politicians is hooliganism and rioting right now - across the political spectrum. This rally, Charlottesburg, the Alt-Right, Antifa, BLM, etc. Just low-grade, property-destructive rabble-rousing, regardless of socio-political affiliation. What a pointless waste!

Justice Democrats Patine. I get you think they are blowhard woke progressives, but they campaign in the streets and mobilize people to vote for their interests. They refuse to take corporate money. If we can get people to rally at least the rejection of corporate money it would help dramatically.

 

[GenMarshall]

Nah, talking about Hamid in this case.

That's beef between you and Hamid. I want no part in any feud, animus, nor purity tests you have against him.

No, you said those are the only groups in the US. No indication was given that you consider those to be a handful of many political/social interest groups in the US. You have a history of putting forward narratives that only seem to consist of imagining yourself under some sort of persecution by "woke/SJW" people who were mean to you on the internet, and therefore it is a completely rational response in supporting the alt-reich.

First, ever stop to think that it's an oversimplification of the political groups to the average lay person of the most vocal group would see instead of jumping to gun "ZOMG!!! hE's sPoUtInG aLt-RiGhT tAlKiNg pOiNtS"? I'm not going to list every single God-damned political/social interest groups in the US that aren't even in the spotlight on the stage.

Second, being critical against wokeism/SJWs does not equate me having a "persecution complex" nor does it equate to me in supporting the alt-right (Or whatever boogieman the left conjures up next). I would make a joke about it with the Kaiserreich Mod, but that would end up getting misconstrued.

 

[Gorbles]

Second, being critical against wokeism/SJWs does not equate me having a "persecution complex" nor does it equate to me in supporting the alt-right (Or whatever boogieman the left conjures up next). I would make a joke about it with the Kaiserreich Mod, but that would end up getting misconstrued.

Uncritically using "SJW" and the "woke left" does, in fact, equate you to aligning with the alt-right. Or at least, thoughtlessly repeating their buzzwords and catchphrases. As does judging peoples' disagreements with the label "purity test", as well as bracketing the "alt-right" as a boogeyman "the left" made up. All in all, that's four for four.

 

[Ajidica]

That's beef between you and Hamid. I want no part in any feud, animus, nor purity tests you have against him.

I'm not the one who is liking his posts. How am I supposed to react when you like the posts of an admitted anti-semite and fascist?

First, ever stop to think that it's an oversimplification of the political groups to the average lay person of the most vocal group would see instead of jumping to gun "ZOMG!!! hE's sPoUtInG aLt-RiGhT tAlKiNg pOiNtS"? I'm not going to list every single God-damned political/social interest groups in the US that aren't even in the spotlight on the stage.

That you believe the entire "left" of the country can be accurately described as the "woke left", or at least that they are the only "left" group worth talking about, does not reflect well on your understanding of political and social dynamics in the country.

Second, being critical against wokeism/SJWs does not equate me having a "persecution complex" nor does it equate to me in supporting the alt-right (Or whatever boogieman the left conjures up next). I would make a joke about it with the Kaiserreich Mod, but that would end up getting misconstrued.[/QUOTE]
The thing is though, you constantly talk about how you are an ex "anti-SJW", but then proceed to treat everything to the left of Attila the Hun as some sort of woke conspiracy who is making you want to support the MAGA Chuds who tried to storm the Capitol to prevent Congress from certifying a lawful election.

 

[GenMarshall]

Uncritically using "SJW" and the "woke left" does, in fact, equate you to aligning with the alt-right. Or at least, thoughtlessly repeating their buzzwords and catchphrases. As does judging peoples' disagreements with the label "purity test", as well as bracketing the "alt-right" as a boogeyman "the left" made up. All in all, that's four for four.

Full stop, No it does not equate me to aligning with the alt-right.

 

[Gorbles]

Full stop, No it does not equate me to aligning with the alt-right.

If I believed in the existence of a flat earth, it would make me a flat earther. Even if I didn't recognise that I was such, and what I believed I thought was the absolute truth of the world.

The terms you're using are straight out of the alt-right playbook. Knowing this, you can adjust, or you can refuse to. In the latter case, don't then moan about labels being applied, especially since you're also handing them out like candy.

 

[Patine]

The US is already divided in threes: The Woke Left, Populist Right, and the Establishment.

I'm really glad I'm not eligible to vote in American elections...

Justice Democrats Patine. I get you think they are blowhard woke progressives, but they campaign in the streets and mobilize people to vote for their interests. They refuse to take corporate money. If we can get people to rally at least the rejection of corporate money it would help dramatically.

I would only agree with the title "Justice," if they brought every Democrat who had committed a high crime, an act of corruption, and abuse of power, or supported any foreign adventurism, ANY act by the CIA, funding any foreign tyrants, supporting SLAVE LABOUR in privatized prisons, or voted for tax breaks for the rich, any aspect of the "War on Drugs or Terror," ESPECIALLY the "Patriot Act," or other such acts as the MDCA and such to full criminal justice, no holds barred, and all evidence "declassified," alongside any Republicans who deserved such for any and all such crimes. If they can't, or won't, do that, than the label of "Justice," is a farce and insult in truth.

If I believed in the existence of a flat earth, it would make me a flat earther. Even if I didn't recognise that I was such, and what I believed I thought was the absolute truth of the world.

The terms you're using are straight out of the alt-right playbook. Knowing this, you can adjust, or you can refuse to. In the latter case, don't then moan about labels being applied, especially since you're also handing them out like candy.

This logic fully kills your argument earlier that belonging to one of the groups mentioned who have engaged in chaotic, destructive, and, at times, violent riots across the spectrum, alone does not make one complicent with those minority of members who actually commit such acts. You've just rhetorically shot yourself in the foot here.

 

[Gorbles]

This logic fully kills your argument earlier that belonging to one of the groups mentioned who have engaged in chaotic, destructive, and, at times, violent riots across the spectrum, alone does not make one complicent with those minority of members who actually commit such acts. You've just rhetorically shot yourself in the foot here.

This isn't a coherent point in the slightest. I was talking, individually, to an individual, referencing their specific actions in-thread. But you indulge yourself, for sure.

 

[Patine]

This isn't a coherent point in the slightest. I was talking, individually, to an individual, referencing their specific actions in-thread. But you indulge yourself, for sure.

I've waited a couple of months for a coherent, contributive point from you. I'm still disappointed.

 

[GenMarshall]

I'm not the one who is liking his posts. How am I supposed to react when you like the posts of an admitted anti-semite and fascist?

Live and let live? This isin't twitter where you go on a witch hunt because you "like" a post a controversial poster makes. I have not seen any post where he's made any anti-semite post, and I'd rather have him speak his peace than get swepped up in your witch hunts.

That you believe the entire "left" of the country can be accurately described as the "woke left", or at least that they are the only "left" group worth talking about, does not reflect well on your understanding of political and social dynamics in the country.

Full stop. I know full well and the understanding of the political and social dynamics in the country. I'm not going to sit down and give you the play by play and the who's who in the grand arena of US Politics.

But then proceed to treat everything to the left of Attila the Hun as some sort of woke conspiracy who is making you want to support the MAGA Chuds

That's laughable. Me being critical of people who want to demonize me just because I'm a white straight male and against critical race theory indoctrination makes me a MAGA Chud? Please.

Congress from certifying a lawful election.

Questionable, but that's already a dead horse that's been beaten to death in other threads.

The terms you're using are straight out of the alt-right playbook. Knowing this, you can adjust, or you can refuse to. In the latter case, don't then moan about labels being applied, especially since you're also handing them out like candy.

I, for one, refuse your labels and outright reject them. I will moan about the labels being wrongfully applied to me and will protest it. As Les Brown said it best, I refuse to let your opinions define my reality. Second of all, no, the terms aren't straight out of the "alt-right playbook" and me using those terms does not make me alt-right. Does me speaking French (as a second language) make me French? No it does not.

 

[Arakhor]

Does me speaking French (as a second language) make me French? No it does not.

Will it make people who don't know otherwise think you're French? Quite possibly.

 

[Gorbles]

I, for one, refuse your labels and outright reject them. I will moan about the labels being wrongfully applied to me and will protest it. As Les Brown said it best, I refuse to let your opinions define my reality. Second of all, no, the terms aren't straight out of the "alt-right playbook" and me using those terms does not make me alt-right. Does me speaking French (as a second language) make me French? No it does not.

Speaking French means you learned it. Understood it. Absorbed it. I'm married to someone who's fluent in two foreign languages, so that wasn't perhaps your best comeback.

You can reject whatever you want. Doing so is not a counterargument.

 

[GenMarshall]

You can reject whatever you want. Doing so is not a counterargument.

If you're going to call me "alt-right" for using words like SJW and Wokeism, then I'm just going to tell you to go pound sand and screw off.

 

[Birdjaguar]

If you're going to call me "alt-right" for using words like SJW and Wokeism, then I'm just going to tell you to go pound sand and screw off.

Using political jargon associated with extremist groups, left or right, does make it seem as if you are supportive of those positions.

 

[Ferocitus]

Will it make people who don't know otherwise think you're French? Quite possibly.

OTOH, you can often spot fake Frenchmen a mile away....
Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes
there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty hangdog look which announces that
an Englishman is about to speak French.
P.G. Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins.

 

[Farm Boy]

Using political jargon associated with extremist groups, left or right, does make it seem as if you are supportive of those positions.

One interaction, sure. Over the course of years? Then you're just being a bully.

 

[Birdjaguar]

One interaction, sure. Over the course of years? Then you're just being a bully.

Yes, context and duration are important. language is complex and can be difficult since it is merely an attempt to clarify what we think.