Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[Ferocitus]

^motto, motto!

 

[Patine]

So, Lauren Boebert might actually need to use her Glock in Congress.
Does every member of Congress have the constitutional right to return fire?

As far as I'm aware, no one is allowed to openly bear arms in DC.

To my knowledge, the most profound act of violence committed by one member of Congress on another in the actual chambers of Congress was when South Carolina Representative Preston Brooks beat Massachusetts Senator Charles Sumner WITH A CANE (no firearms) in 1854.

 

[IglooDame]

AFAIK, members of Congress can keep unloaded firearms in their offices and transport them around DC.
So, unloaded gun in one pocket, ammo in another sounds acceptable. Or is that proscribed?

I need to go look this up. DC's laws have changed post-Heller (SCOTUS ruling on Second Amendment, specifically regarding DC laws). But this Rep sounds a bit like former Sen Jim Webb, in terms of attitude.

 

[AmazonQueen]

AFAIK, members of Congress can keep unloaded firearms in their offices and transport them around DC.
So, unloaded gun in one pocket, ammo in another sounds acceptable. Or is that proscribed?

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...gton, D.C. is a shall,carry is illegal in D.C.

https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohibitions/prohibited-items

I think you'd need a concealed carry permit to do that.
Also some areas are off-limits to carry a weapon even with a concealed carry permit. Visitors and staff are not permitted to carry guns on the Capitol Grounds or its associated buildings.

 

[Ferocitus]

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/dc-gun-laws/#:~:text=Washington, D.C. is a shall,carry is illegal in D.C.

https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohibitions/prohibited-items

I think you'd need a concealed carry permit to do that.
Also some areas are off-limits to carry a weapon even with a concealed carry permit. Visitors and staff are not permitted to carry guns on the Capitol Grounds or its associated buildings.

Does staff include elected members of Congress and the Senate?

 

[AmazonQueen]

Does staff include elected members of Congress and the Senate?

No
Can't find anything specifically on a representative so if she got a concealed carry permit including taking the required firearms course she might be able to carry a registered firearm. Otherwise she'd have to keep the gun in a locked container separate from ammo.

 

[Patine]

Does staff include elected members of Congress and the Senate?

By IDEAL theory of an electoral, constitutional system of government, they, along with the President and Vice-President, are staff and employees of the PEOPLE OF THE NATION, and beholden to uphold their will and take their mandate of trust and public service as a sober, selfless, and humble duty. However, like in most other nations with electoral, constitutional systems of government in the world today, they've largely ignored, and brushed under the carpet this bedrock of their very offices, and contrived "special class laws," in violation of the very concept of an electoral system of government to protect them by fiat, not by any deserving quality, from legal consequences for their actions MEANINGFULLY in office, and from any other criminal or civil transgressions in office to which fellow citizens are (and, yes, all of these elected officials are just ordinary citizens like any other, legally and constitutionally - they are not legitimately a special class, inherently of society). This gross violation of the trust and mass overstep of the mandate, empowerment, and privileges of those in such elected roles should be corrected by the employers of those wayward and abusive employees who have grossly breached contract of employment - those employers of course, as I said above, being the people of the nation. These Governments need to be fired by their bosses!

 

[Birdjaguar]

Republicans are idiots

Prosecutor: Wisconsin pharmacist thought vaccine was unsafe
Suspect an admitted conspiracy theorist, detective says

BY TODD RICHMOND
ASSOCIATED PRESS

MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin pharmacist convinced the world was “crashing down” told police he tried to ruin hundreds of doses of coronavirus vaccine because he believed the shots would mutate people’s DNA, according to court documents released Monday.

Police in Grafton, about 20 miles north of Milwaukee, arrested Advocate Aurora Health pharmacist Steven Brandenburg last week following an investigation into the 57 spoiled vials of the Moderna vaccine, which officials say contained enough doses to inoculate more than 500 people. Charges are pending.

“He’d formed this belief they were unsafe,” Ozaukee County District Attorney Adam Gerol said during a virtual hearing. He added that Brandenburg was upset because he and his wife are divorcing, and an Aurora employee said Brandenburg had taken a gun to work twice.

A detective wrote in a probable cause statement that Brandenburg, 46, is an admitted conspiracy theorist and that he told investigators he intentionally tried to ruin the vaccine. Misinformation around the COVID-19 vaccines has surged online, with false claims circulating on everything from the vaccines’ ingredients to its possible side-effects.

One of the earliest false claims suggested that the vaccines could alter DNA. The Pfizer and BioNTech vaccine, as well as the Moderna vaccine, rely on messenger RNA or mRNA, which is a fairly new vaccine technology that experts have been working on for years. MRNA vaccines help train the immune system to identify the spike protein on the surface of the coronavirus and create an immune response. Experts have said there is no truth to the claims that the vaccines can genetically modify humans.

Advocate Aurora Health Care Chief Medical Group Officer Jeff Bahr has said Brandenburg admitted that he deliberately removed the vials from refrigeration at the Grafton medical center overnight on Dec. 24 into Dec. 25, returned them, then left them out again on the night of Dec. 25 into Saturday.

A pharmacy technician discovered the vials outside the refrigerator on Dec. 26. Bahr said Brandenburg initially said he had removed the vials and had inadvertently failed to put them back. The Moderna vaccine is viable for 12 hours outside refrigeration, so workers used the vaccine to inoculate 57 people before discarding the rest. Police said the discarded doses were worth between $8,000 and $11,000.

Bahr said the doses people received Dec. 26 are all but useless. But Gerol said during the hearing that Moderna would need to test the doses to make sure they’re ineffective before he can file charges.

Brandenburg’s attorney, Jason Baltz, did not speak on the merits of the case during the hearing. Gerol did not file charges, saying he still needs to determine whether Brandenburg actually destroyed the doses.

Judge Paul Malloy ordered Brandenburg held on a $10,000 signature bond, surrender his firearms, not work in health care and have no contact with Aurora employees.

 

[Patine]

Republicans are idiots

Prosecutor: Wisconsin pharmacist thought vaccine was unsafe
Suspect an admitted conspiracy theorist, detective says

BY TODD RICHMOND
ASSOCIATED PRESS

I don't think idiocy (or any other basic human flaw) is a partisan-specific trait, and people constant going on like it is make the public look a playground argument between primary school students. I'm wondering if I'm hoping for far too much for intelligent, rational, level-headed conversation and debate with the casting aside of constant political invective, stupid buzzwords and catchphrases, and constantly quoting partisan scripts without thinking to ever return in my lifetime.

 

[Kyriakos]

Such things don't help. Enough about history, what about herstory?

A comment from the video: "When amen loves awoman"

 

[Sommerswerd]

The first 40 seconds of this video... I'm dead

 

[Birdjaguar]

I don't think idiocy (or any other basic human flaw) is a partisan-specific trait, and people constant going on like it is make the public look a playground argument between primary school students. I'm wondering if I'm hoping for far too much for intelligent, rational, level-headed conversation and debate with the casting aside of constant political invective, stupid buzzwords and catchphrases, and constantly quoting partisan scripts without thinking to ever return in my lifetime.

Currently it is partisan. That may change in a few years, or not. Trump has raised public idiocy to a new level. He has been helped by twitter and the internet. Once Trump opened the box of displaying one's stupidity in public, it cannot be put back. It is your future now.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Currently it is partisan. That may change in a few years, or not. Trump has raised public idiocy to a new level. He has been helped by twitter and the internet. Once Trump opened the box of displaying one's stupidity in public, it cannot be put back. It is your future now.

And the Alberta Conservatives want to be just like him.

 

[Patine]

Currently it is partisan. That may change in a few years, or not. Trump has raised public idiocy to a new level. He has been helped by twitter and the internet. Once Trump opened the box of displaying one's stupidity in public, it cannot be put back. It is your future now.

I always thought the motif of "show a better example, not descend to their level," was a much better and more noble ideal. Obviously, that must be considered as outmoded as chivalry and bushido in the modern braindead zeitgeist. And blaming the whole phenomenon on Trump alone - that he single-handedly changed the whole tenor of the discourse on his own, is disingenuous, and you know it. This toxic crap - participated in by ALL (not JUST BOTH) socio-political factions of any influence in the Western World predates Trump's election by almost a decade - and is what, in fact, allowed him to be elected, whereas he would have been utterly unelectable and fringe as recently as 2000. Can you PLEASE show some proportion and perceptive here. Blaming everything on Trump and his supporter is a transparent and cheap tactic so no one else has to accept any responsibility for their hand in why the world has become so crappy - and with so dodging their own responsibility, no possible meaningful solutions will be realistically forthcoming.

And the Alberta Conservatives want to be just like him.

Oh, I know. I'm in the unenviable position of working for them - as a social worker...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The challenge is, try to get to the end of this clip. It's worse than Vogon poetry.

I'm at 3 minute something, and in pain, nibbling on my right foot as we speak.

6 minutes .... I'm out

 

[Takhisis]

By IDEAL theory of an electoral, constitutional system of government, they, along with the President and Vice-President, are staff and employees of the PEOPLE OF THE NATION, and beholden to uphold their will and take their mandate of trust and public service as a sober, selfless, and humble duty. However, like in most other nations with electoral, constitutional systems of government in the world today, they've largely ignored, and brushed under the carpet this bedrock of their very offices, and contrived "special class laws," in violation of the very concept of an electoral system of government to protect them by fiat, not by any deserving quality, from legal consequences for their actions MEANINGFULLY in office, and from any other criminal or civil transgressions in office to which fellow citizens are (and, yes, all of these elected officials are just ordinary citizens like any other, legally and constitutionally - they are not legitimately a special class, inherently of society). This gross violation of the trust and mass overstep of the mandate, empowerment, and privileges of those in such elected roles should be corrected by the employers of those wayward and abusive employees who have grossly breached contract of employment - those employers of course, as I said above, being the people of the nation. These Governments need to be fired by their bosses!

Patine!

Paragraphs.
Spacing.

You made a pledge, live up to it.

 

[Patine]

Patine!

Paragraphs.
Spacing.

You made a pledge, live up to it.

My resolution didn't specifically grammar. And it wasn't stated as a, "pledge," but an ideal and goal to be seriously worked toward. By do people edit my posts in their heads, and then try to hold me to the edited versions? THAT gets very old, quickly.

 

[Takhisis]

They don't want him at Mar-a-Lago and he is scheduling a plane to go to Scotland.

Official plane used by Trump will fly to Scotland just before Biden inauguration – report
Arrival of military plane president has occasionally used fuels questions over Trump’s plans for 20 January

The murk surrounding Donald Trump’s likely whereabouts on his last day as president has thickened considerably with news that an official plane he has used in the past is due to fly to Scotland the day before Joe Biden’s inauguration.

Spoiler :

Trump himself is sticking to his refusal to accept his decisive electoral defeat. He has been caught cajoling election officials to “find” thousands of extra votes and is encouraging his supporters to gather for a “wild” day of protest on Wednesday when Congress is due to ratify the result.

The White House has refused to say what he will do when Biden is inaugurated on 20 January, raising the question of whether Trump will even leave the building voluntarily.

Most Trump-watchers expect him to dodge any event that would involve acknowledging his election loss. They predict he will stage a spectacular diversion to detract from Biden’s first day on the job.

Many versions of that scenario have the outgoing president flying to his private club in Florida, Mar-a-Lago. But Scotland’s Sunday Post has reported that Prestwick airport, near Trump’s Turnberry golf course resort, has been told to expect a US military Boeing 757 that has occasionally been used by Trump, on 19 January.

The report said that speculation over a possible inauguration day drama has been fuelled by sightings of US military surveillance aircraft circling Turnberry for a week in November, doing possible advance work.

“It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period,” the Post quoted an unnamed source as saying.

The 757 is a smaller, narrower plane than the Boeing 747-200Bs that are normally designated Air Force One. It is more often used by the vice-president and first lady, Melania Trump, than the president.

There was no immediate response to requests for comment from the White House or Prestwick airport.

Leaving the country before formally leaving office would be unprecedented for a US president.

Flying to Scotland before 20 January would be a way to get US taxpayers to pay for the first leg of a post-presidential holiday. It is also possible the flight was booked as a contingency by a candidate surprised by defeat and unsure what to do.

Multiple reports suggest he will face severe difficulties in his heavily indebted business empire.

New accounts published on Monday showed Trump’s array of golf properties in Scotland lost £3.4m in 2019, though Trump Turnberry showed a modest profit.

Meanwhile his neighbours at Mar-a-Lago have launched a legal effort to stop him moving there full-time, saying he is precluded by an agreement he signed in the early 1990s converting the estate from a private residence to a club.

Wherever Trump goes on 20 January, it is unlikely the exit will be quiet or particularly dignified. But it will be unlike any presidential departure the country has ever witnessed.

 

[Ferocitus]

Power x Stupidity = Self Destruction.
Delavy, René , "Macht x Dummheit = Selbstzerstörung: Wie viel "Mensch" erträgt der Planet?", 2005.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The challenge is, try to get to the end of this clip. It's worse than Vogon poetry.

I'm at 3 minute something, and in pain, nibbling on my right foot as we speak.

6 minutes .... I'm out

Im near the 7 minute mark and this clown is talking about the Lockerbie bombing in 1988 as a justification for challenging the election results

EDIT: I finished the whole thing... its just more of the same... the guy spouting debunked nonsense and the host fact checking him, with periodic passive aggressive uses of "Good Sir". The interview ends with the guy responding "Roger that" to the host thanking him for appearing on the show.