Colbert Rips the "Religious" Hypocrites

[JollyRoger]

When it gets to the point where you start doing this its over. You forgot to add the verse 13 just before that which says:



Please note what I highlighted in the NIV - the bible you chose to quote from.

Game over. You just lost whatever shred of intellectual honesty you had in this arguement. Badly.

Proverbs tells me that I shouldnt continue such an arguement with such a person as yourself. Consider this one over.

They were brought to him for him to pray for them (that was the motivation of the people bringing the children). The story later says he laid hands on them but is silent on whether he prayed for him. This has been pointed out about half a dozen times already, so I guess we have reached the proverbial endpoint of expecting intellectual honesty.

 

[El_Machinae]

That's over six times it's been explained. I don't think it should be explained again

 

[MobBoss]

They were brought to him for him to pray for them (that was the motivation of the people bringing the children). The story later says he laid hands on them but is silent on whether he prayed for him. This has been pointed out about half a dozen times already, so I guess we have reached the proverbial endpoint of expecting intellectual honesty.

Again, laying on of hands IS praying for them....which I have pointed out at least half a dozen times as well. Surely you remember this from your youth going to church with your dad.

Mark mentions blessing. Its root word is different from the 'praying' that Jesus suggests be done in private. Matthew does not mention Jesus 'praying' for the children. And Berzerker's interpretation of that scene is an interpretation that allows Jesus to not be a hypocrite.

If one is able to comprehend that he is talking primarily about hypocrisy not prayer, then he isnt a hypocrite. At least I read it that way and dont see anything hypocritical at all about it. But then again, I am a christian. /shrug.

But as I mentioned, I really need to be listening to Proverbs right now...

 

[JollyRoger]

Again, laying on of hands IS praying for them....which I have pointed out at least half a dozen times as well. Surely you remember this from your youth going to church

The only laying on hands that was proposed would justify North Carolina's 300 foot rule being invoked.

 

[Imperialmajesty]

I meant one in the near future. But you're right and I stand corrected. Anyone who doesn't tout his piousness every possibly chance he/she gets. For that I am grateful for someone like Obama, who is Christian but doesn't feel the need to drag God into every single one of his speeches, and at least doesn't end them with the Gawd Awful: "May God continue to bless the US", which is pukeworthy

Isn't that sad? I heard people, who I know aren't complete dolts have a conversation whether Obama was atheist, because if he was, they wouldn't vote for him. And that, quite simply, is effed up. Especially because it is shrugged off as well.

Yes... that is very sad. Not that the unintelligent care about a person's religious belief's or lack of, but that the intelligent and the educated actually consider Atheism a game breaker. Maybe not a majority, but most certainly a substantial number which most definitely gives me pause.

I am an Atheist, and believe that religion is a tool that has outlived its time. However, I also believe in judging people based on there merit and capabilities. I would not hesitate to vote for the qualified Christian or Muslim over the unqualified Atheist, and vice versa. It is sad, and it is partial evidence of the poverty of religion, that it teaches man, in its more dogmatic forms, to judge others as being unworthy of trust based on a 2,000 year old document.

Men should be judged on there content, and not on there religion or lack thereof.

 

[Imperialmajesty]

Again, laying on of hands IS praying for them....which I have pointed out at least half a dozen times as well. Surely you remember this from your youth going to church with your dad.



If one is able to comprehend that he is talking primarily about hypocrisy not prayer, then he isnt a hypocrite. At least I read it that way and dont see anything hypocritical at all about it. But then again, I am a christian. /shrug.

But as I mentioned, I really need to be listening to Proverbs right now...

What are your views on The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. One in the same? Three distinct entities?

 

[Berzerker]

Again, laying on of hands IS praying for them....which I have pointed out at least half a dozen times as well.

No it isn't or the author wouldn't have said the children were brought to Jesus for the laying of hands AND prayer.

Oh yeah, did you ever establish which street or synagogue this allegedly happened?

 

[MobBoss]

No it isn't or the author wouldn't have said the children were brought to Jesus for the laying of hands AND prayer.

You actually had the nerve to show back up in this thread?

Really?

What part did you not comprehend about their being different TYPES of prayer?

A hint for you. The Greeks/Hebrews had different words for different types of prayer.....you may want to study up on it sometime. Just because its a different word, doesnt mean it isnt also a form of prayer. http://executableoutlines.com/top/layhands.htm

Hopeless.

 

[Berzerker]

El Mac has a long history here in the OT of not getting things biblical. Thats how he got introduced to Strongs once upon a time. You should search that up sometime...

When are you gonna use that Strongs to back up your argument? I already looked in my Strongs, it doesn't say Jesus prayed over the kids. The word for pray in 19:13 does not appear in 19:15. Is that why you keep citing Strongs without quoting Strongs?

Never been in a jam yourself? hmm?

of course, hmm... What is yer point Mobby?

When it gets to the point where you start doing this its over. You forgot to add the verse 13 just before that which says:

Doing what? Quoting the relevant verse? Matt 19:13 doesn't tell us what Jesus did, Matt 19:15 does that.

When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.

see?

Please note what I highlighted in the NIV - the bible you chose to quote from.

Game over. You just lost whatever shred of intellectual honesty you had in this arguement. Badly.

Are we all dishonest for disagreeing with your "interpretation"? I'm quoting the passage that tells us what Jesus did, you keep ignoring that passage...

Proverbs tells me that I shouldnt continue such an arguement with such a person as yourself. Consider this one over.

Proverbs tells you to call people dishonest and run away?

You actually had the nerve to show back up in this thread?

I started the thread, you jumped in to call it a silly debate... Well, you certainly made that come true.

What part did you not comprehend about their being different TYPES of prayer?

Hopeless.

The word "prayer" is not used in the passage describing what Jesus did...

wrt the edit, were you planning on quoting from your link or are we supposed to find your proof for you?

 

[MobBoss]

When are you gonna use that Strongs to back up your argument? I already looked in my Strongs, it doesn't say Jesus prayed over the kids. The word for pray in 19:13 does not appear in 19:15. Is that why you keep citing Strongs without quoting Strongs?

Again, to lay hands upon someone is to pray for them by blessing them, or even pray for healing for them. If you cant admit that then there is no reason for us to continue.

Proverbs tells you to call people dishonest and run away?

Try reading it, perhaps you will get what I am referring to.

Are we all dishonest for disagreeing with your "interpretation"? I'm quoting the passage that tells us what Jesus did, you keep ignoring that passage...

No, your're dishonest for quoting scripture out of context like you did earlier when you specifically left the part out containing the word 'prayer'.

The word "prayer" is not used in the passage describing what Jesus did...

Yes, it is. I have highlighted it over and over and over again.

This is fruitless.....not going to reply to you anymore as its just stupid to continue to belabour the point with you. You dont even comprehend that there are many forms of prayer - you didnt even understand that blessing food before a meal is prayer. Given that, I am simply not going to respond to this silliness any further. You want to continue chasing your tail over the issue go ahead. But I have given mulitple links and proof here to prove my point.

 

[Berzerker]

Again, to lay hands upon someone is to pray for them by blessing them, or even pray for healing for them. If you cant admit that then there is no reason for us to continue.

The word for "pray" does not appear in Matt 19:15 and the author of Matt 19:13 says the children were brought to Jesus for 2 reasons, not 1 - Laying hands AND prayer, Jesus laid hands but did not pray and then he left. Thats what the Bible says. Why aint you using your Strongs?

Try reading it, perhaps you will get what I am referring to.

No thanks, not interested in chasing down passages you think apply to me

No, your're dishonest for quoting scripture out of context like you did earlier when you specifically left the part out containing the word 'prayer'.

Where did I quote the passage out of context? I posted Matt 19:13-15 back on page 6 when you were claiming Jesus prayed over the children.

here's the passage, it says nothing about Jesus praying in the synagogues and streets, it says nothing about Jesus praying at all.

"Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there."

see? And I see you're still assuming all this happened in a synagogue or street.

Yes, it is. I have highlighted it over and over and over again.

This is fruitless.....not going to reply to you anymore as its just stupid to continue to belabour the point with you. You dont even comprehend that there are many forms of prayer - you didnt even understand that blessing food before a meal is prayer. Given that, I am simply not going to respond to this silliness any further. You want to continue chasing your tail over the issue go ahead. But I have given mulitple links and proof here to prove my point.

Where did I say there's only 1 form of prayer? And I didn't say anything about blessing food, I said giving thanks aint the same thing as prayer and you disagreed.
Now, where did you "highlight" what Jesus actually did? You keep ignoring what he did and you keep repeating Matt 19:13 as proof Jesus prayed over the children when that passage doesn't tell us anything about what Jesus did. And quote your links, it aint my job to find your proof.

Tell me Mobby, if you are in your room and about to pray, does Jesus want you to go into the street and pray instead of your room?

 

[QuieteMon]

So Fox News likes to have imbecilic guests. And the religious right is hypocritical.

What next, online forums start recycling discussion points?

The left wing extremist are hyprocrits. They talk tollernce but if you don't agree with them it's okay to vility and make fun and critisize them.

 

[El_Machinae]

Moderator Action: QuieteMon, if you're going to bump an old thread, please post something substantive. There's a stick on Off Topic's front page that you should read.

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