COM2 - n00bile deities

[Whomp]

I agree with the plan. Raze and replace York and Canterbury first. This may be a good time to pull out Handy's "bikini babe trick (tm)". The idea is to load one of the galleys with a reg warrior and land it on a unroaded jungle spot and draw in their troops. When they get close pick him up and drop him off on another spot to attract their attention. Rinse and repeat. The idea is to keep them away from the main battle force.

We had a pretty tough starting position but we'll be fine and the economy will improve.

One of the reasons I didn't trade republic was to see if we could trade it for lit or currency but no one seems to be helping us in that regard. Hopefully we will be able to crank some markets and libs within our GA.

 

[Nikodemus]

Preturn:

MM a little. Then I start looking at our economy. We'll flat out run out of money in
about 5 turns unless we stop researching, which doesn't sound too smart. So I decide to
drop luxury by 10% and hire a few scientists, then disband some of those regular warriors that
that each cost us 2 gpt. Switch Cattawhomp from regular spear to harbor, Salamanca to spear.
Oil Springs can't grow anymore and we need settlers anyway so I start building one there and
another one in Cattaraugus. And a third one in Tonawanda while I'm at it.

IBT:
One of the Incan warriors attacks and dies, and they land another sword and a warrior at the same spot.
Koreans learn monarchy. A Greek galley appears, apparently they want a piece of the island west to us
as well.

Turn 1, 330BC:

We produce a spear and a MW.

Doesn't seem like we could hold against the Incas just by standing so I decide it's time for the GA.
We beat one of the swords easily but the other MW retreats from a warrior. Holding Commodifywaga
might still not be easy. Also I'm not sure where our settler near there is planning to settle
with all the Incans running around. I just hope there's time to settle somewhere before the Aztecs
and Greeks find their spots.

I move our troops towards Allegheny and St.Regis.

IBT:
The English demand to withdraw from their territory and with that we're at war with them.
They do immediately show quite a bit of troops but they're mostly warriors and also
the few ACs that show up are just regulars.

Turn 2, 310BC:

We learn Literacy, Currency in 11. We produce a settler and a spear.

There's a heated but one-sided battle at the gates of Allegheny.

One of our MWs red lines, but we take the city with no losses. We also capture 3 slaves and one
of our own workers (how'd they get that?). I decide to rush walls for 36gp at St.Regis
since that seems to be where the English forces are piling up at.

We also slay the other Incan sword near Comwaga.

I consider trading Lit but we'd have to pay some extra gold to get Currency and nobody has any
free cash so I pass up on it for now.

IBT:
The Incas offer peace in exchange for Lit. I don't see that happening right now. There's a lot
of traffic at the seas.

Turn 3, 290BC:

We produce a spear, two MWs and the walls.

The focal point of the war has moved to St.Regis and we manage to destroy quite a few ACs
(I lost count but 6 or 7 probably) while also taking some losses ourselves. Hopefully we
will be able to push forward in a little bit. I land a warrior close to York hoping to
pull off the bikini babe trick suggested by Whomp.

IBT:

Well, the trick seemed to work, almost all the English troops withdraw.

Turn 4, 270BC:

We produce a spear and two settlers.

The rest of the Incas are gone from our little island. They've moved from "insulting" to "doubtful"
on a straight up peace treaty. I also found Oka to grab the sugars.

We kill more English troops near Allegheny without taking any losses. Did someone turn off
the promotions? I've killed a whole bunch units now without a single promotion. I also load the warrior
back to the galley

IBT:

Sure enough the English forces appear again with the bikini babe gone. Of course
there's much less of them now. Vlad the Impaler is unable to impale a regular sword
and sadly perishes. The Incas land more troops, close to Cattawhomp this time.

Turn 5, 250BC:

Things quiet down a little, while we wait for MWs to heal up to make the next push.
The newly landed Incas head north, I assume they plan to attack Oka or Comwaga through
the Mongol lands.

Turn 6, 230BC:

We produce a spear. Finally a MW promotes to elite while killing a wounded AC who was
chasing workers into our side of the jungle.

Turn 7, 210BC:

We produce 2 MWs and a catapult. An English naval invasion near Salamanca screws up the
1 turn spears by a shield so I go for a library instead.

The elite MW, lead by Shenandoah, kills a sword who ventured a little too close. Yep:

I figure there's plenty of work for an MW-army still to do. With that I decide we're in
good enough shape to squeeze in some more libraries (perhaps as prebuilds for markets).

IBT:

More Incas near Cattawhomp. Moving the spear from the choke point apparently made the previous
invaders to turn back as well.

Turn 8, 190BC:

We produce 2 MWs and our first library in Mauch Chunk.

It's time to move on York.

IBT: Well, the English are showing nothing at all. An occasional unit venturs in
to chase our workers but when they're several turns into the jungle that doesn't
work too well. The Koreans demand that we move our curragh or declare war, strange.

Turn 9, 170BC:

York is located on a hill so I let the army do the job:

I missed a chance to get Currency one turn sooner so I pay the Greeks 12 gp for it.
A couple of towns would be completing libraries next turn and I rather want markets since
we are running pretty low science rate. Nobody still knows Lit but they aren't willing
to offer anything for it either. The Republic on the other hand is now known by everyone.

IBT:

Well, the Aztecs have noticed we have Lit and now they want that too. Montezuma looks
scary so I cave. They immediately trade it to the Greeks as well.

Turn 10, 150BC:

We found New York at the same hill York was on. We'll have Iron at our disposal in two more turns.

3 MWs covered by a spear take care of Hastings without any losses and burn it to the ground. Even
more MWs move towards Canterbury.


Notes:
The English are offering practically no resistance so I think we should continue the campaign
at least to clear the area west of the volcano. And for that we'll need many more settlers, so
consider building some once the markets start popping up.

The Incan troops near Cattawhomp have been marching back and forth for a little while now. When I
move the spear to block the choke point they head towards Comwaga and then a couple of turns later
when I clear the path by moving the spear to east they turn back to Cattawhomp again.

The elite MW in Allegheny is waiting for the lonely warrior to step into the jungle.

There should be an AC hanging around somewhere near Coventry with a settler (unless it boarded
a galley already), but other than that they're only been showing warriors and spears after the
initial force was crushed.

Three of our galleys are fortified, so don't forget about them. The warrior and galley near London
are (/were) the decoy team, although there hasn't been much use for them lately.

 

[pindicator]

Good set of warmongering there, Nikodemus. With the English that inept, it looks like we should push them as far as we can. Ideally we'd get the good land around London and Warwick as well as the spices down by Coventry before signing a peace treaty... I dont' think we have the forces to take and hold the entire island, but I am often a bit too careful in my war plans.

 

[Whomp]

Nice mongering job Niko! As long as there's no WW and our kill ratios sound exceptional so I see no reason to stop. I say push them off the world. Maybe the bikini babe trick will be more effective to draw troops out of London.

Out of curiousity...

IBT:
The English demand to withdraw from their territory and with that we're at war with them.

Were we on their turf or they on ours?

 

[Nikodemus]

Thanks guys. Using that warrior as a decoy really did wonders as all but one of their units withdrew without ever attacking right when most of our MWs were wounded. And then they came back when the MWs had healed up again. We were on their turf and declared the war so we could be facing some war weariness some time soon. It should definitely be possible to grab at least that luxury way before though.

I forgot to give my opinion on the FP thing before. It would seem best to build it somewhere around where Canterbury is now. Of course we'd almost have to leader rush it there but maybe we can get some more leaders soonish.

 

[Whomp]

Let me help with a roster since our fearless leader has disappeared.
Whomp
Leha
Nikodemus Kicked Liz around.
MjM UP
commodified MIA.
pindicator Likely on deck

We were on their turf and declared the war so we could be facing some war weariness some time soon.

I've never declared that way but the way I understand it that will impact our "ROP rep" but not our "trading rep". Can anyone confirm?

I forgot to give my opinion on the FP thing before. It would seem best to build it somewhere around where Canterbury is now. Of course we'd almost have to leader rush it there but maybe we can get some more leaders soonish.

I haven't looked but does it have shield potential? Doesn't Commidywaga has pretty good potential?

 

[Nikodemus]

Almost seems like our fearless leader is not the only one missing in action.

I've never declared that way but the way I understand it that will impact our "ROP rep" but not our "trading rep". Can anyone confirm?

I think you're right. I have found so little use for RoPs (other than picking up a little cash every now and then) that I had completely forgotten about that.

I haven't looked but does it have shield potential? Doesn't Commidywaga has pretty good potential?

It would certainly be much easier to build the FP in Comwaga, since I think there are decent shields there and we could start it right away. But in the long term (after the English are gone along with most of the jungle) I think the Canterbury area would have more potential. But I'm not at all sure if it's worth the wait.

 

[Bede]

It would certainly be much easier to build the FP in Comwaga, since I think there are decent shields there and we could start it right away. But in the long term (after the English are gone along with most of the jungle) I think the Canterbury area would have more potential. But I'm not at all sure if it's worth the wait.

lurker's comment:

It ain't worth the wait. Canterbury is so far from being productive that you will be in the Industrial Age with tanks before you get the FP up. Rule #1 on the FP is the sooner the better. Rule #2 is build it in the most productive town after the capitol. Rule #3 is read Rule #1.

 

[Whomp]

MjM you out there? Pindicator I'd pick up if we don't see a "got it" from MjM.

 

[MjM]

Quadriple Post

 

[MjM]

sorry , got it.

 

[MjM]

Double Post

 

[MjM]

Triple Post

 

[MjM]

Sorry guys , but I need a skip.

 

[Whomp]

Pindicator it's back to you.

 

[pindicator]

gotcha Whomp. I might be able to get to it tonight, otherwise it will have to wait until tomorrow night as I have some appointments in the big city tomorrow

 

[Whomp]

Go get 'em Pindicator. You may want to take Bede's advice and start the FP in one of our better citys. Worst case you get a leader and rush it in another good city.

 

[steviejay]

good luck guys. I'm taking notes

 

[pindicator]

Inherited Turn

Don't really understand the harbor at Mauch Chunk. We already have a harbor on our mainland and this one isn't going to help the town any. Since Niko suggested we need more settlers and the town isn't growing any, I switch it over. Afterwards I will probably throw a courthouse in as I think that would do better for our commerce than a marketplace.

Notice we also have a settler waiting in Allegheny.

Comwaga is currently at 2spt with 55% corruption. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the corruption idea, because 55% fits with the commerce (4 lost, 3 gained) but I don't see how that equates to shields (5 lost, 2 gained). In any case, it seems like a long time off to build the FP in Comwaga, but the harbor there won't finish for 23 more turns, so the next person can switch it if they want.

Haha, well Inca now has Literature anyway and now they'll be happy with us
turning over all our gold and 8gpt... That would cripple us financially, at
least until the markets come in.

I also switch Cattaraugus to a Marketplace.

Okay, everything else looks good so I hit [enter].

IBT

The Hittites come in demanding Ivory. If they weren't so close or we weren't
at war with Inca I'd tell them to shove it, but I don't think I really have a
choice in the matter. Man, I hate giving into demands, especially demands that are going to last for 20 turns... or more.

Salamanca: Market->MW

Greeks complete Sun Tzu's in Athens

1) 130BC

We just went from 11gpt to 26gpt with Salamanca's market.
To celebrate I up our science to 30%.

Canterbury is burned with no losses and a few injured. We get one MW to
promote and pull 5 slaves out of the deal.

The elite MW kills the English warrior as Nik foresaw, but no leader

Our new slaves take the long way home, just in case there is an English unit
on the road on the edge of the FOW.

Oka gets a scientist to prevent rioting. Mauch Chunk's entertainer gets turned into a scientist.

IBT

Whoops. As I hadn't spotted any English troops I did not move the "Bikini Babe" and he is killed by an AC. Another AC shows up in the south.

Oil Springs: Market->Aquaduct
Koreans complete Hanging Gardens in P'yongyang
Aztecs complete The Great Library in Teotihuacan.

We have iron hooked up!

2) 110BC

War weariness rears it's ugly head and several towns threaten to riot next turn. They are mostly in size 5-6 towns so I hire specialists rather than up our lux rate. I also switch Oil Springs to a MW since it isn't growing any more.

Kill the AC to the south. The army heads north towards Warwick. It will (hopefully) take out that town and then move on to London.

Somebody else is also at war, and possibly with the English. On the far east of our isle there lies rubble of a razed town. Perhaps Greece has joined in the fight?

IBT

Inca galley redlines then kills our galley. A sword pops up outside of London.

Make a MW in Salamanca and a Settler in Mauch Chunk.

That was fast... English pop up Leeds a few squares from Coventry's old position. I will be quicker to settle after burning Leeds.

3) 90BC

Army pillages English Ivory and kills a spear in Warwick.
Troops move south to clear out the English down there.

The Inca want 40g for peace and I happily pay.

IBT

Greece demands 11g and that's a pittance to fight a war over...

AC kills an unprotected MW by the middle road I'll pillage that road with the spear next turn to keep that from happening in the future.

Salamanca riots as WW appears to increase. Ah, I get it. We lost war happiness from the Inca. I scroll ahead and keep a couple more towns from rioting.

Niagara Falls: Market->MW
Grand River: Market->Forgotten Palace.
Oka: Worker->Courthouse. I'm sure there's a better choice here...

4) 70BC

A couple more towns need riot patrol so I decide to up the luxuries to 30%. Of course, now science goes back to 20% as it puts is in negative gpt.

Ah, Warwick was an easy kill The army killed two more spears and that was all for that town.

Super-spear kills own MW but succombs to a second and Leeds is razed as quickly as it was built.
Kill a sword and a warrior.

Find a better solution to our unhappy people -- trade Mongols Ivory + 5gpt for Incense.
Luxuries back to 20% and Science to 30%, but we don't get rid of all our specialist yet.

IBT

AC impales itself upon our injured MW, and the MW promotes to boot!

Salamanca: Spear->Library
Oil Springs: MW->Library

5) 50BC
Kill a couple archers. Move in on Coventry
Mongols have Monarchy but I see no point in trying to trade for it.

IBT

Niagara Falls: MW->Library

Aztecs complete Leonardo's Workshop in Tenochtitlan.

6) 30BC

An MW dies as does 2 English spears and Coventry is burned. A settler pair is on the way to claim the spices.
I'm deciding to hold off on London; instead I pillage the irrigated squares with the army as it passes by to Nottingham.

7) 10BC

Comwaga's new person needs to be an entertainer to placate the masses.

Found Banana-Rama 4NE of Allegheny.

Kill a English settler pair.

Army isolates London completely; that should slow any future ACs down.

IBT

Greece declares war on the Aztecs.

Cattaragus: Market->Aquaduct

8) 10AD

Kill a spear and an archer

IBT

Salamanca: Library->Temple

9) 30AD

Kill another archer. Army kills two spears but loses way too much HP on the second, so I decide to heal up before trying again.

Found New Coventry on the river, 1NW of Old Coventry's ruins.

IBT

Korea demands 23g and I cave again.

St Regis: Barracks->Market. Though this might not be a good choice after the GA is over.
Comwaga riots but i thought i checked at the end of last turn.

10) 50AD

Not much this turn. Kill yet another archer. Science goes to 40% to get Feudalism in 2 turns.

The next player should be able to finish up the English west of the volcano. London is the toughest, but the town is already down from size 10 to 7 and hopefully will get to 6. The army took some hits last turn and is healing up.

There is a spear east of New York that looks like it is hunting for workers. I have a MW south of New York to deal with him, or you can bring some over from outside London.

5 MWs are ready to raze Liverpool next turn. There is a settler waiting in St. Regis to take the town's place. I actually recommend settling 1NW of Liverpool to get freshwater and be coastal. We probably will need to build more settlers as I did not keep up in that regard. The temple in Salamanca can be switched to a settler; so can the aquaduct in Cattaraugus without waste.

I thought Libraries were a good investment for our GA as we surely will need to get all the science we can in.

Do we want to raze or keep London? That Statue of Zeus would sure come in nice for a Mongol invasion... I say we burn Nottingham then keep and starve London.

Not much else... what was a trickle of English troops has almost turned non-existant. Our MWs should roll them over easily; I believe I only lost 3 during my turn-set and most of those were to fortified spears.

 

[Whomp]

Fine work Pindicator! I think keeping London makes sense. What I may do is let the army heal first take a few more of their outlying cities and then continue the onslaught. Is the GA over? Work on libs and markets were really important. Should we see if someone wants to join us since Commodified is gone? Maybe Bede would join us?
Whomp UP and got it
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