Communism

[nonconformist]

That's eastern Communism, and it's not exactly like Vietnam was an industrialised, lovely place to live prior to the Communist takeover. In fact, it was probably worse.

As for Cambodia? Direct result of US foreign policy in Vietnam.

 

[Azale]

That's eastern Communism, and it's not exactly like Vietnam was an industrialised, lovely place to live prior to the Communist takeover. In fact, it was probably worse.

As for Cambodia? Direct result of US foreign policy in Vietnam.

Every time I think about what the US did in Cambodia, it makes me want to dig up LBJ and punch him in the face.

 

[aronnax]

Every time I think about what the US did in Cambodia, it makes me want to dig up LBJ and punch him in the face.

Im sigging this...

 

[GoodGame]

That's eastern Communism, and it's not exactly like Vietnam was an industrialised, lovely place to live prior to the Communist takeover. In fact, it was probably worse.

As for Cambodia? Direct result of US foreign policy in Vietnam.

Eh? Direct result of communist dictator!

 

[nonconformist]

But how did he get there?

The Cambidian revolution was caused by the Americans bombing the country abck tot he bloody stone age, at which point, the Cambodians instinctively distrusted everything American and western, seeing as it had caused so much damaged.
Nevermind the US supported Pol Pot throughout his dictatorship.

 

[GoodGame]

But how did he get there?

Regardless, more evidence of the genius of the cultural revolution that is communism.

 

[nonconformist]

But communism can only occur in industrialised nations; if anything, the Khmer Rouge were agriculturist.

 

[GoodGame]

But communism can only occur in industrialised nations; if anything, the Khmer Rouge were agriculturist.

Eh? Russia was largely agriculturalist when it turned towards communism.

http://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/russia/Nick_II/Industrialization.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia#Industrialization_and_collectivization

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Jesus Christ, its like you don't even read my arguments. That's why things didn't work, because a communist revolution has never succeeded in an industrialized nation!

 

[REDY]

What do you consider as industrialized? Czechoslovakia was one of most industrialized countries in the world when vampires came.

 

[Flying Pig]

That has just proven another reason why communism is bad - it doens't allow advancement

 

[GoodGame]

That has just proven another reason why communism is bad - it doens't allow advancement

Not really. Josef Stalin demonstrated the opposite, according to history.

Communism is bad because the doctrine demands radical change, even at the cost of lives.

 

[Flying Pig]

True; but I would warn that Stalin was a pretty awesome manager, so how much the advancement is down to communism is up for debate

 

[nonconformist]

Eh? Russia was largely agriculturalist when it turned towards communism.

http://www.cusd.chico.k12.ca.us/~bsilva/projects/russia/Nick_II/Industrialization.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Russia#Industrialization_and_collectivization

Exactly, which is also why the USSR is a pretty bad candidate at being termed a MArxist nation, as Russia was a Serfdom, and not at all comparable to the theory of revolution, which would occur in a western country, not an agricultural one.

 

[GoodGame]

True; but I would warn that Stalin was a pretty awesome manager, so how much the advancement is down to communism is up for debate

Hmm...good point.

 

[Squonk]

A 21 yo drunk has climbed on a 70 yo statue of Lenin in Uwarowicze village in Belarus. He was hanging on the Lenin's hand, apparently having fun, but Lenin didn't find it amusing and killed him by falling down and crushing the man by his head.

http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80269,6915117,Zginal_przygnieciony_pomnikiem_Lenina.html

 

[Gustave5436]

Exactly, which is also why the USSR is a pretty bad candidate at being termed a MArxist nation, as Russia was a Serfdom, and not at all comparable to the theory of revolution, which would occur in a western country, not an agricultural one.

Industry and agriculture allied successfully during the Spanish Revolution. Their failure to do so during the Russian "Revolution" must be a Bolshevist despotism thing (what with the Party destroying the free workers' councils, trade unions, and such; the very instruments of a successful revolution).

Jesus Christ, its like you don't even read my arguments. That's why things didn't work, because a communist revolution has never succeeded in an industrialized nation!

It depends what you mean by success. If you mean collectivization of property and active implementation of libertarian principles, the revolution in Spain was a successful, industrial revolution. However, being tragically cut short by Bolshevist treachery, and constantly being forced to put much of its efforts into fighting the fascist threat, it didn't quite get to the point of complete communism, still using labor vouchers etc.

Eh? Russia was largely agriculturalist when it turned towards communism.

Didn't I already describe communism as an economic system in which the means and results of production are free to all, and where, as there is no such thing as class, there is no such thing as the state or any other hierarchical authority, either?

The totalitarian character of the Bolshevik regime, and its brutal state-capitalism which turned the Russian people into virtual slaves of the state, was just about the furthest thing from communism imaginable.

 

[luiz]

The totalitarian character of the Bolshevik regime, and its brutal state-capitalism which turned the Russian people into virtual slaves of the state, was just about the furthest thing from communism imaginable.

I like your kind of commie better than the Stalinist kind plaguing CFC

You're still wrong, though, and I am sorry to tell you your idealized society will never and can never exist. The fact that all communist countries turned into mass-murdering slave nations is a pretty good evidence that it's just not a good idea.

Anarchist Catalonia is also hardly worthy of much idealizing; they committed their fair share of atrocities and on the long run would certainly rival with the Muscovite serfs that destroyed them.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Industry and agriculture allied successfully during the Spanish Revolution. Their failure to do so during the Russian "Revolution" must be a Bolshevist despotism thing (what with the Party destroying the free workers' councils, trade unions, and such; the very instruments of a successful revolution).

The Proletariat and peasantry were united in the Russian Revolution, since February. That's why soldiers had their own section of the Soviet, that's why Kornilov's insurrection fell apart, and that's why the symbol of the hammer and sickle even exists.

It depends what you mean by success. If you mean collectivization of property and active implementation of libertarian principles, the revolution in Spain was a successful, industrial revolution. However, being tragically cut short by Bolshevist treachery, and constantly being forced to put much of its efforts into fighting the fascist threat, it didn't quite get to the point of complete communism, still using labor vouchers etc.

I mean a communist or socialist revolution overthrowing a Western capitalist state.

I like your kind of commie better than the Stalinist kind plaguing CFC

And how many Stalinists are there on CFC? By all means, give them by name.

 

[GoodGame]

The totalitarian character of the Bolshevik regime, and its brutal state-capitalism which turned the Russian people into virtual slaves of the state, was just about the furthest thing from communism imaginable.

Wonderful, except you weren't leader of the USSR. Josef Stalin was. So what if it didn't meet your standards. And does not communism demand a rather abrupt change of society, peoples lives be damned?