ThERat
Deity
maybe a dumb question, but what level do I start since I am planning to take part for the first time. the standard setting, not predator I guess.
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Abegweit
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Re: socralynnek
I second this request.
While I myself have no intention of playing Conquest, IMO people should the right to do so if they choose especially in this game which seems close to real Diety - as opposed to the typical xOTM version where the player gets lots of bonus food.
What exactly is the rationale for forbidding people to choose anyway? The score penalty is already enough to encourage playing Open.
Just my $.02
I second this request.
While I myself have no intention of playing Conquest, IMO people should the right to do so if they choose especially in this game which seems close to real Diety - as opposed to the typical xOTM version where the player gets lots of bonus food.
What exactly is the rationale for forbidding people to choose anyway? The score penalty is already enough to encourage playing Open.
Just my $.02
Abegweit
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@ThERat
Since you've never played before, you can choose whatever level you want. Go for the extra settler
Since you've never played before, you can choose whatever level you want. Go for the extra settler
Since my attempts at the diety in gotm aren't doing well, I'm considering going for the conquest. I don't think I've ever gotten in the top 50%, so I should be good. Maybe if I feel inspired or courageous I'll take another go at regular diety, but probably not...
I'm guessing the thinking was that it may discourage genuine newbies if experienced players are competing with them on an equal basis.Abegweit said:
The intention of Conquest class is to reduce the chances of an early demise for inexperienced players. Players in the top 50%, who probably know their capabilities and know how to survive better, ought be able to handle the challenge, and to live with or even relish the danger of defeat.
Abegweit
Anarchist trader
While neither of us can know what was going on in his mind, I suspect that Cracker's intention was to force to people to move on to "real" games when they got good enough, which is valid enough. I doubt that noobs really care who they are competing with. Their main objective is to survive and to learn.
Anyway... 'sup to you guys. As for me, the predator handicap sounds like fun and I'm going to go for it, even if I do get
for my audacity.
Fair point. I know I am quite capable of losing to a Deity AI. There are those for whom there is no doubt. Is it fair to force them to go into battle knowing that they will lose?AlanH said:
Anyway... 'sup to you guys. As for me, the predator handicap sounds like fun and I'm going to go for it, even if I do get
for my audacity.
One of the attractions of Civ3 is the uncertainty. No one should assume they are going to lose this game just because it has a Deity sticker on it. No one is forced to do anything, and as Renata said, players can vote with their feet. If we see a reduction in participation in this game then we'll take note.Abegweit said:
However, GOTM ought to be the "Blue Riband" event for CivIII players. It would be a poorer competition if we didn't offer games at the top of the difficulty spectrum, both to stretch the strongest players and to encourage others to try to raise their game.
None of my remarks should be taken to mean this game is any harder, or easier, than previous deity C/GOTMs, by the way. I have no idea how this game will play.
Markus5
Code Monkey
I'm going to play the Conquest version as I said before. I don't think my game skill is quite good enough to go open. I like to think I'm getting better. Still, I'm starting to warm up to this game. At first, I was just not in the mood for a challenge that was likely to lead to frustration. I play for fun first and challenge second. When challenge tips over to frustration I balk. I look at the Conquest version as the 10k fun-run at a marathon.
Anyway, I think I'll have plenty of fun and challenge. I'll send the bonus scouts E and N, I think, to look for food. The bonus settler will head to the food, if any. The capital will build warrior, warrior, granery, settler (or something similar). I'll road then mine the BGs, then chop. The bonus tech is nice, so I don't have to worry about Pottery. I plan to research to Code O Laws, then Philo for Republic slingshot. Hopefully, I can become a tech trader to help keep up on tech research. The final bonus is the reduced trade level between AIs.
I won't have lots of time for this game, so there will be lots of instinct and rule-of-thumb moves. Still, I need to give due diligence to check everything and pay attention to CivAssist-II, too.
Anyway, I think I'll have plenty of fun and challenge. I'll send the bonus scouts E and N, I think, to look for food. The bonus settler will head to the food, if any. The capital will build warrior, warrior, granery, settler (or something similar). I'll road then mine the BGs, then chop. The bonus tech is nice, so I don't have to worry about Pottery. I plan to research to Code O Laws, then Philo for Republic slingshot. Hopefully, I can become a tech trader to help keep up on tech research. The final bonus is the reduced trade level between AIs.
I won't have lots of time for this game, so there will be lots of instinct and rule-of-thumb moves. Still, I need to give due diligence to check everything and pay attention to CivAssist-II, too.
Abegweit
Anarchist trader
It'll be my first Diety game where I didn't start with a food bonus. IMO, that's a bit scary (and harder than the Predator penalty, which just adds a bit of spice). I'm looking forward to it.AlanH said:
Can't wait for tomorrow.Tidiazuron
Chieftain
I always win at Monarch, rarely on Emperor. Probably I am too pesimistic but, what are my chances of arriving to 1000 AD alive? Anyway, I want to play, in my personal experience on videogames I have learned more from my defeats than from my victories so... give me Deity!!
Hannabir said:
might...
The saves won't be linked until the game is officially released, which is on the first of the month. Exact timing is dependent on AlanH's state of insomnia. Although I do need to post the Saves Available thread somewhere for him to grab when the time comes. Guess I'd better get on that ...
Renata
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Well, I've looked at your scores, and I think you're just as capable as any other open player at tackling Deity (eg. your COTM 12 victory was comfortably in the top 1/2!)socralynnek said:
Conquest class is really about giving inexperienced players a step-up - you really can't class yourself as an inexperienced player - give 'open' a go!
DJMGator13
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Renata said:
And now that the cast is off he is probably out driving around the countryside at all hours of the day and night.
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People: Regarding playing conquest class:
If you have made the top 50% in the past, then we really, really encourage you to play open.
It will be much more satisfying for you to play a tougher game, and it is not really fair on the genuine conquest-class players if you do this. At the moment, they can compare their relative scores against other conquest-class players first, and against the rest of the community second. If experienced players start playing conquest class, then any benefits in this comparison are gone.
Also, most of you know that there are smaller competitions in the main competition - people size themselves up against others who they see as having similar skill levels; they don't feel they can compete with the players who consistently win the medals, but they can compare their progress directly with those that they regularly finish 'close' to. Again - open players playing conquest can destroy that aspect as well.
Please just stick to the guidelines.
If you have made the top 50% in the past, then we really, really encourage you to play open.
It will be much more satisfying for you to play a tougher game, and it is not really fair on the genuine conquest-class players if you do this. At the moment, they can compare their relative scores against other conquest-class players first, and against the rest of the community second. If experienced players start playing conquest class, then any benefits in this comparison are gone.
Also, most of you know that there are smaller competitions in the main competition - people size themselves up against others who they see as having similar skill levels; they don't feel they can compete with the players who consistently win the medals, but they can compare their progress directly with those that they regularly finish 'close' to. Again - open players playing conquest can destroy that aspect as well.
Please just stick to the guidelines.
Markus5
Code Monkey
OK. Now, I might feel a little bit guilty playing Conquest class. Not much, but a little bit. Maybe I can talk myself into Open class even though I've always been in the bottom half.
namliaM
Deity
@Ainwood
I feel i am an experienced player, have been playing civ (on and off) for years. But at regent and lower levels. Just started my first monarch game.
COTM was regent IIRC and I dont know how I did. I did play open and did get a (for me) earliest ever Domination win. I would feel great if i did not finish in the last 25%, but Diety?! Geez... /@Ainwood
@All who care to read:
Tried a test game (just French Diety, same land, Same barbs etc, random oponents. I didnt get 3 "normal" city's in before I could cram in just one or 2 more (not real city's tho). Other civs were allready in the MA, while I was stuck with 5 citys (no research) lot of cash and 40 or so units I choose to attack Carthage as they look smallest. Take 2 city's then in the end a stack of 10 Swords and 20 Numerians arrives. That is where I quit
Also I quit partially due to the fact that its sleepy time
I feel i am an experienced player, have been playing civ (on and off) for years. But at regent and lower levels. Just started my first monarch game.
COTM was regent IIRC and I dont know how I did. I did play open and did get a (for me) earliest ever Domination win. I would feel great if i did not finish in the last 25%, but Diety?! Geez... /@Ainwood
@All who care to read:
Tried a test game (just French Diety, same land, Same barbs etc, random oponents. I didnt get 3 "normal" city's in before I could cram in just one or 2 more (not real city's tho). Other civs were allready in the MA, while I was stuck with 5 citys (no research) lot of cash and 40 or so units I choose to attack Carthage as they look smallest. Take 2 city's then in the end a stack of 10 Swords and 20 Numerians arrives. That is where I quit
Also I quit partially due to the fact that its sleepy time
Doc Tsiolkovski
Deity
What's the 'Top 50'? If that means the top 50% of CotM Highscores, then I for sure can play Conquest ...the only CotM I ended not in the bottom third was the Demigod Sumerian one.
'High Score' and 'can beat Sid' are not necessarily related. Both require pretty different skills...
...the only CotM I ended not in the bottom third was the Demigod Sumerian one.'High Score' and 'can beat Sid' are not necessarily related. Both require pretty different skills...
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