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[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Winner, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. Heretic_Cata

    Heretic_Cata We're gonna live forever

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    Whatever you do, don't drink the cheapest beers in Romania. In regards of taste, Oettinger might as well be fancy luxury beer here - cheapest beers here are basically diluted alcohol with beer flavours. They are sold in 3-4 liter plastic bottles and can only be found in supermarkets and retired citizen bars.
    It's all about perspective. But i'll admit, Oettinger ranks very low among the german beers that i drank.
     
  2. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Also don't drink too much Thai beer, such as Leo or Chang. One pint is fine, but if you have 2,3, or more, you might just get headaches for the next couple days.. bad bad headaches. Pay a bit more and get a Western beer instead, it should be available, unless you're in some guy's basement type bar.
     
  3. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    From a new genetic study:

    Someone (and guess what, we know who*!) literally "raped" :eek: Europe ca. 5000 years ago.

    A huge bottleneck in male lineages dating back to ca. 5000 years has been discovered:



    The same thing in the Near East (which at that time also experienced those invasions):



    *We know who:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13740090#post13740090
     
  4. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    :huh:

    -> your interpretation is wrong.
    If a large scale "invasion" of a different genetic lineage happened (e.g. via the event you imply), an increased genetic range would be visible, due to the addition of the new genetic material.
     
  5. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    Full answer in the spoiler:

    Spoiler :
    They "hypothesize" because they apparently did not read previous studies (which together with their study form a big picture of Indo-European conquest of Europe) - such as these (links):

    "Massive migration from the steppe is a source for Indo-European languages in Europe":

    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/02/10/013433.full.pdf

    www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(09)01694-7?cc=y

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/131001/ncomms3486/full/ncomms3486.html

    http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/03/13/016477.full.pdf

    Correct. Their is partially wrong, because they did not link all the pieces together into a big picture. :p

    And it is visible - entire R1a and R1b haplogroups of Y-DNA were added - check these links:

    "Peopling of Europe – Identifying the Ghost Population":

    http://dna-explained.com/2014/10/21/peopling-of-europe-2014-identifying-the-ghost-population/

    "Michael Hammer – Origins of R1b Haplogroup Diversity in Europe":

    http://dna-explained.com/2013/11/12/2013-family-tree-dna-conference-day-2/

    "Mike Hammer goes for post-Neolithic entry of R lineages into Europe":

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...oes-for-post-Neolithic-entry-of-R-into-Europe



     
  6. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    This is partially correct, but they forgot to mention that cultural changes were caused by the Indo-European invasion.

    And that those invaders were the ones who were highly successful in reproduction (also with local females). :p

    =============================

    Supplemental Figures:

    http://genome.cshlp.org/content/suppl/2015/02/18/gr.186684.114.DC1/Supplemental_Figures.pdf
     
  7. The_J

    The_J Say No 2 Net Validations Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Ah, you're about the increase, right? I was talking about the dip before.
    But yeah, makes sense in that way.
     
  8. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    IMO probably both the decrease / dip and the increase, or just the increase, could be caused by Indo-Europeans.

    But it is possible that the decrease was caused by something else, prior to PIE immigration.

    However, in such case there should have been also a dip in diversity of female lineages, not just male ones.

    One study actually says that there was a demographic catastrophe in Europe at that time, prior to PIE invasion:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13735129&postcount=48

     
  9. Paul in Saudi

    Paul in Saudi Emperor

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  10. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    madviking north american scum

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    spinal tap-esque
     
  12. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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  13. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity

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    Someone's been reading the Atlantic, eh?
     
  14. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    You only noticed that now?
     
  15. Tolina

    Tolina trust the pillars with your s e c r e t s

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    That data, it's just damning!
     
  16. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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  18. Paul in Saudi

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  19. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    You know, I think I'm starting to understand why Russia acts the way it does.



     
  20. JohannaK

    JohannaK Careless Whisperer

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    You surely mean Putin. :p

    So much for Francis Fukuyama and his End of History thing.
     

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