[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[Borachio]

The US lost 420,000 and took out 12 m i l l i o n Germans/Japanese?

Yeah. Well. That's a nicely blinkered approach you have there, Mr Lancer.

The vast majority of German military losses were on the Eastern Front.

Still, the Japanese losses were significant and indeed mainly down to the Americans. If that's something to be proud of. I don't know so much myself.

 

[Domen]

Actually, more than 1/2 of Japan's military deaths were vs. China, Britain, Dutch, Australia, Soviets, France, etc.

But still the USA accounted for, perhaps, nearly half. And for vast majority of civilian losses in Japan.

Why does Belarus have such a large bar?

Most of them are civilians, that's why.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Why does Belarus have such a large bar?

Same reason as the Baltics: extensive partisan war and harsh German reprisals, in addition to the war front going back and forth through the country several times (one of the largest operations of the war, Bagration, occurred around Minsk, and resulted in the destruction of all of Army Group Center).

 

[Domen]

Regarding France I was mistaken - actually most of its civilian losses were Non-Jews.

And survival ratio of French Jews was very high.

But several questions need to be asked:

Do we know what % of French Jews as of 1940 could speak French language fluently, and what % of French Jews were religious, especially Orthodox (while what % were Atheists, or converts to Christianity). Also what was the % of survivors among Jewish refugees in France, and what among native Jews of France?

Large groups of Jews from Germany and also some from other countries escaped to France.

But those Non-French Jews overwhelmingly perished in the Holocaust, unlike native French Jews.

Being non-religious, Christian, or at least non-Orthodox and speaking fluently the language of local gentiles, was vastly increasing your chances of survival as a Jew or person with Jewish ancestry.

Most of native French Jews survived because they were not "detected" as being Jews.

French Jews were among the least religious and the most well-assimilated into the culture of local gentiles among whom they lived. This is why France had such a large survival ratio of Jews - if we call those acculturated French Atheists or Catholics with Jewish or partially Jewish ancestry, Jews.

 

[Cutlass]

The US lost 420,000 and took out 12 m i l l i o n Germans/Japanese?

Japanese Army deaths were largely in China against Chinese, sometimes Russian, British or America forces. Australian and British forces, as well as locals in many places, fought the Japanese in the Pacific and Southeast Asia. Only the US attacked Japan itself, but direct combat with the Japanese military was more diverse.

Germany lost more military personnel to the USSR. But keep in mind that they were fighting everywhere, and Britain bombed German cities as well. Note that Britain had even more losses than the US, despite a much smaller population. They were at war years longer.

 

[CavLancer]

: mischief : Means what? That I'm dead serious?

 

[Borachio]

I took it to mean you were deliberately mischief-making. Or provocative.

Are you now complaining because people were provoked? That seems a little perverse.

 

[Takhisis]

Hmmm, kinky.

 

[metatron]

: mischief : Means what? That I'm dead serious?

We may as well have a graph on the matter (again), and finally move on:

 

[CavLancer]

That's very graphic metatron!

 

[Samez]

The really shocking fact should be that roughly the same amount of people were killed in the Holocaust (5-6 million) as the Axis lost in easter and wester theater together.

 

[Monsterzuma]

think of what would have happened if Germany just hadn't pissed off the USSR.

 

[Borachio]

We may as well have a graph on the matter (again), and finally move on:

What strikes me is how effective the Germans were at killing the opposition military.

Alternatively, how much effort it took in terms of human life to defeat the Germans.

 

[Domen]

Just 0.6 million dead as German military losses on the Western Front is too low a figure.

But then it also depends what exactly did author of this graph count as the Western Front.

If "everything apart from the Eastern Front" is the Western Front, then it's way too low.

 

[Monsterzuma]

Spoiler :

Spoiler :

 

[Domen]

think of what would have happened if Germany just hadn't pissed off the USSR.

Americans instead of the Red Army would have liberated Poland ???

 

[Paul in Saudi]

Two American nukes on Germany followed by a combined US/British invasion of France in 1946. Two more nukes in '46 and then an Allied victory.

 

[Domen]

Yup, something like this.

 

[metatron]

What strikes me is how effective the Germans were at killing the opposition military.

Alternatively, how much effort it took in terms of human life to defeat the Germans.

Well, "soft" criteria matter: Morale, training, combat experience, organisational efficiency, military doctrine, etc.

Just 0.6 million dead as German military losses on the Western Front is too low a figure.

But then it also depends what exactly did author of this graph count as the Western Front.

If "everything apart from the Eastern Front" is the Western Front, then it's way too low.

Military deaths =/= casualties.

The 0.6m is a high figure, if anything.

 

[Domen]

Military deaths =/= casualties.

The 0.6m is a high figure, if anything.

Yes, I know, but I am talking about military deaths, not about all casualties.

0.6m is rather too low for everything other than Eastern Front taken together.

US figure of 0.18 million includes only Army ground forces and Army Air Force.

It does not include losses of US Navy, Naval Air Force and other floating things.

German 0.6 million most certainly does not include either Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine.

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Soviet figure of 10.6 million is higher than official Soviet data say (Krivosheev).