Why not ??CommandoBob said:(..)
Tap the orange warrior and we meet England.
England 1790 BC
We have Writing.
They have BW, Pottery, Wheel and CB.
We do not trade..
D'Artagnan01: Low-level Training Day
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There appears to be an opportunity for a multiple tech deal for writing. The waters definitely should be tested. Start with Hiawatha and see what he will offer, then move on to Liz.
Riots are bad and a sign of inattention. They should never happen.
What ever we do do not complete the walls in Paris. That is the equivalent of two MP's and now that unit support is a little higher it is not like we can't afford them. Walls are only useful in Always War games.
And wealth before economics and multiplier buildings like banks and stock exchanges is always bad. You will get a greater return having a citizen work a roaded riverside and we have plenty of those. If you need to pacify the citizens with specialists collect taxes, don't tell jokes.
Better to put a mine on sugar. A field needs three food in its native state to benefit for irigation in Despotism.
Lyons is working a dinghy, good!
Twere I both Orleans and Rheims would be training warriors to size two, then settlers. The warriors could keep the towns happy while they grow to three or they could go on ahead to their new homes for barb watch and use the entertainment budget to keep every body happy.
On a happier note, I will back to C3C on Tuesday thanks to a good friend so I can stop being a crabby commentator and become a player
Riots are bad and a sign of inattention. They should never happen.
What ever we do do not complete the walls in Paris. That is the equivalent of two MP's and now that unit support is a little higher it is not like we can't afford them. Walls are only useful in Always War games.
And wealth before economics and multiplier buildings like banks and stock exchanges is always bad. You will get a greater return having a citizen work a roaded riverside and we have plenty of those. If you need to pacify the citizens with specialists collect taxes, don't tell jokes.
Better to put a mine on sugar. A field needs three food in its native state to benefit for irigation in Despotism.
Lyons is working a dinghy, good!
Twere I both Orleans and Rheims would be training warriors to size two, then settlers. The warriors could keep the towns happy while they grow to three or they could go on ahead to their new homes for barb watch and use the entertainment budget to keep every body happy.
On a happier note, I will back to C3C on Tuesday thanks to a good friend so I can stop being a crabby commentator and become a player
"Walls are only useful in Always War games."
And in beachhead towns, but rarely elsewhere.
And in beachhead towns, but rarely elsewhere.
SimpleMonkey
King
lurker's comment: I would consider the techs that the Iroquios and the English already have, and that they appear to have done a pretty thourough -- though not exhaustive -- job of trading with each other. It might be worthwhile to give it just a turn or two more to see if either of them researches something interesting.
Agree completely with Bede and vmxa's assessment of walls.
Agree completely with Bede and vmxa's assessment of walls.
If you wait to trade, test the waters at least. The risk in waitin is that will learn how to write and trade it to the other. By checking the bid you can ge a guess at whether or not they are in fact reserching it. If the bid is low make the best deal now. And Pottery is very much of interest to us. It was bad luck that we drew Commercial nations as neighbors.
Two? isn't it just one?CommandoBob said:
@Techs:
According to alexman's article on tech cost, You could probably get CB, Wheel, and Pottery for Writing and some gpt and/or gold. Then, you could sell Writing to the other person for gpt and/or gold. I might be wrong about this though.
SimpleMonkey
King
lurker's comment: Much depends, as Bede astutely pointed out, on whether or not Hiawatha and Liz are already researching Writing. If so, it will not be worth so much to them. (You'll find your own purchase costs for a tech go down if you've already done some research on it.) And if they've already almost finished researching it, it's good to make the trade ASAP. On the other hand, if one or the other of them is busy with something else (and the AI does tend to research all of the first tier techs before moving on to the second -- often, but not always), then it might pay to wait for that tech to emerge and then trade for that.
Yes at Emp or higher you only get one citizen born content. It does not really matter, if you just checked at the end of the turn for happy faces or use a tool.
The only time you should get caught is when WW triggers it or you lost a lux during the IBT. There is a few others times, but they are quite unusal. Really during the AA, it just forgetfulness or laziness or a lack of understanding.
That is why they have training games.
The only time you should get caught is when WW triggers it or you lost a lux during the IBT. There is a few others times, but they are quite unusal. Really during the AA, it just forgetfulness or laziness or a lack of understanding.
That is why they have training games.
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I almost got my throat hoarse shouting quietly at the screen, "NO! NO! NO!" 
But of course, somebody, (Bede) had to name everything that went wrong.
We need practice on Luxury/Science Slider, Military Police, Build Orders, Worker/Terrain, Trading, and Micromanagement.
Otherwise, we got twice as big. Yet we don't seem to be expanding any further.... What the heck are they wealthing for? Just lower science, raise lux tax, and switch to warriors/settlers/workers! The curragh is fine, however. Additionally, don't clown when you can scientist.
BTW, Paris needs the irrigated wheat AND mined wheat, so Lyons should just take off, and make do with the normal mined grassland.
And once again, there was a damaged moving warrior?
My bad....
So let's see who's next!:
Roster:
D'Artagnan59
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CommandoBob-Just Played
Conquerdude-Skipped before and was Moved
Bucephalus-On Deck or Up now
Chuchui Husky
AnsarTheKing
Bahzell
So either Conquerdude or Bucephalus should play. I guess whoever takes it first could get it. But only after Bede says that we should continue.
But of course, somebody, (Bede) had to name everything that went wrong.
We need practice on Luxury/Science Slider, Military Police, Build Orders, Worker/Terrain, Trading, and Micromanagement.
Otherwise, we got twice as big. Yet we don't seem to be expanding any further.... What the heck are they wealthing for? Just lower science, raise lux tax, and switch to warriors/settlers/workers! The curragh is fine, however. Additionally, don't clown when you can scientist.
BTW, Paris needs the irrigated wheat AND mined wheat, so Lyons should just take off, and make do with the normal mined grassland.
And once again, there was a damaged moving warrior?
My bad....So let's see who's next!:
Roster:
D'Artagnan59
Tribute
CommandoBob-Just Played
Conquerdude-Skipped before and was Moved
Bucephalus-On Deck or Up now
Chuchui Husky
AnsarTheKing
Bahzell
So either Conquerdude or Bucephalus should play. I guess whoever takes it first could get it. But only after Bede says that we should continue.
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
lurker's comment: With the very few exceptions mentioned by vmxa, you should NEVER have a town riot. Here are links to two tools which will automatically alert you the turn BEFORE a town riots...giving you an opportunity to make needed changes to specialists or the lux slider.vmxa said:
Dianthus' CrpSuite - use his MapStat utility. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=52902
Ainwood's CivAssist II - more info, but also more complicated to use I think. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=118540
I have and use both utilities for different purposes including new trading opportunities, but the happiness alerts are invaluable and save you hours of checking each city for happy faces each turn.
SimpleMonkey
King
choxorn said:
lurker's comment: Refer again to Bede's 3 Questions Before You Buy (or Trade). Just because you can get a tech doesn't always mean that you should. Are CB and/or Pottery useful to you right now?
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Pottery is of course, Bronze Working is too, if we plan on getting Iron Working. The Wheel is if we plan on getting horses. (Or resource trading either if possible to catch up/stay ahead.) Warrior Code is possible for additional leverage versus England.
But who knows? I think conquerdude will.
But who knows? I think conquerdude will.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Someday there will be an award CivFanatics Darwin Award for the most boneheaded errors in a turnset. Just not today, I hope.
I normally play with MapStat, but did not for these turns. Only two cities and about ten units, should be easy to keep track of things, right? At least, so I thought. Bad decision.
I took one statement posted earlier and managed to make it say something it clearly did not say. That little piece of creativity led directly to the poor build orders for Paris and Orleans.
The number of content citizens at Emperor, well, here I forgot that the cities were content at size 2 because each had a warrior doing crowd control. At size 2 they were happy and at size 3 they were not. Again, my bad.
I should have stopped my turns when we met England. I had actually considered posting the gamea after 5 turns, because of some RL events, but thought I had time to play the other 5 turns. Instead of playing the turns, I focused on finishing the turns, which is not at all the same thing.
Which means the next player will look exceedingly good!
I normally play with MapStat, but did not for these turns. Only two cities and about ten units, should be easy to keep track of things, right? At least, so I thought. Bad decision.
I took one statement posted earlier and managed to make it say something it clearly did not say. That little piece of creativity led directly to the poor build orders for Paris and Orleans.
The number of content citizens at Emperor, well, here I forgot that the cities were content at size 2 because each had a warrior doing crowd control. At size 2 they were happy and at size 3 they were not. Again, my bad.
I should have stopped my turns when we met England. I had actually considered posting the gamea after 5 turns, because of some RL events, but thought I had time to play the other 5 turns. Instead of playing the turns, I focused on finishing the turns, which is not at all the same thing.
Which means the next player will look exceedingly good!
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
lurker's comment:gmaharriet said:
Whe I looked at CivAssistII I saw that it is necessary to download something called the '.NET framework'. I'm reluctant to download and install things I'm not familiar with; what is it?
gmaharriet
Ancient Crone
Um, I'm not sure WHAT it is, but it comes directly from the Microsoft site. I DL'd it when I installed CivAssistII many months ago and haven't noticed any particular effect. A whole lot of the regular players here use CAII, nobody has mentioned having problems that I've heard and I think word would have gotten around.Bucephalus said:
You might read the last page or two from the CAII thread to see if anyone has mentioned it or check in the Technical Support forum to ask if you want to be doubly sure, but I trust the experience of many fellow users.
Another alternative would be to PM Ainwood, who wrote CAII, and ask him to explain what .NET framework does since he is also a mod here.
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I use CivAssist II because I have used CivAssist before ever touching MapStat. And I don't see any problems with CAII. So is that all?
Conquerdude or Bucephalus can either stall more or can go now.
Conquerdude or Bucephalus can either stall more or can go now.
Bucephalus
Shooting from the lip....
Tribute said:I use CivAssist II because I have used CivAssist before ever touching MapStat. And I don't see any problems with CAII. So is that all?
Conquerdude or Bucephalus can either stall more or can go now.
I can go if required, but in my time zone it's nearly bedtime so it won't be played until tomorrow.
Might be. Temples, Granaries, and Horses might come in handy. However, if temples you do not want, don't get CB. It can wait, and all that's further down that line is Wonders and Monarchy, which you won't be getting/using. Pottery will definately be useful, and Wheel will be useful if you have Horses.SimpleMonkey said:
BW and WC are nice, but the AI values them way more than it values writing. In fact, they're the two most expensive AA techs. Pull out some gpt, and the AI might trade them.Guy who knows nothing about how the AI values tech said:
@Bucephalus:
I'm reluctant to download NET.framework too unless I know what it is. And I still can't figure out how CRpSuite works...
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