Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[civ_king]

You said you wanted to buff India a little, in Madhya Pradesh you could add copper and/or gems, you could also add silver in Himachal Pradesh. There's also the possibility of adding in the massive historic gold mines in Southern India under the hut

 

[fabe]

Umm, I think something should be done about the Italien Civ. They alway spawn, get Marseille and collapse a few turns later. Pretty strange; fyi, I played with Germany on Monarch and Emperor, epic and marathon speed and owned Venice and Rome, but always the same with the Italians. Spawn, get Marseille, collapse after 3-5 turns.

 

[kairob]

Odd I have seen them do quite well, although it might be a fluke, I havn't played many games recently...

 

[fabe]

I'm quite torn; on the one hand I would love to have Italy represented. On the other hand I don't want to lack Venice, Rome and southern Italy when playing the Germans

 

[Highlander_]

But Krakow definitely needs to be in. To all Poles, what is the oldest city in Poland?

It's very old but not the oldest one. However considering the whole history of Poland it is the most important one. So if you need to present Poland with just one city, Krakow it's the best choice.

 

[TowerWizard]

I have not read the entire 100+ pages but still I have found people wanting to buff the indians. I could not agree more. I have tried them a few times now, and it is in my opinion totally impossible to found 5 religions. Zoroastriacism is founded in turn 85 and Taoism in slightly over turn 100. India have no means of any type of commerce resource before iron working (to get the gems in the jungle) or plantations. Since they desperatly need reaserch, this is a bit strange? Also, they have no means of defending aganist war elephants (excepting the few auto wins they got) until iron working, which is nog t tech they otherwise want to research since it does not gain them any religions. Also, how does one found the second christianity religion?

Either I am missing something here, or something is unbalanced. By the way, why five religions? The other goals are ok, but how can founding five religions be in any way historically correct?

 

[The Turk]

It's very old but not the oldest one. However considering the whole history of Poland it is the most important one. So if you need to present Poland with just one city, Krakow it's the best choice.

Ya I agree. Thanks for the advice though. Can you please go onto the game, and tell me the tile you would want Krakow to spawn at, and when. As I will also add Aahen, and I will run a few test runs as the Chinese (*shudder* I hate Taoism *shudder*), and I will watch and see what happens with the Germans.

@TowerWizard
We are 'campaigning' to have India buffed in 600AD start, so that when the respawn (which Leoreth will add later), they will respawn strong.

 

[Sandmonster1989]

It is NOT impossible to found 5 religions as India, just difficult and requires some luck. You research something like Meditation, Priesthood, Masonry, Polytheism (then switch to Slavery and Pantheon), construct the Oracle to found Monarchy (which founds Zoroastarianism) then b-line to Theology. Eventually, you need to convert to Catholocism so when you reach Printing Press, you will found your 5th religion.

The UHV's for India were created by Rhye in his infinite wisdom

 

[Orka]

The five religion UHV is supposed to be the "unhistorical" one - the others are very accurate. It's definitely hard, but the on the other hand the others are pretty easy. And anyway not all civs are supposed to have equally difficult UHVs.

 

[Leoreth]

The Indian UHV is definitely easier than in vanilla RFC, because here you don't have to rely on luck with the Judaism RNG and beat the Arabians to Islam.

 

[Caesarea]

Any ideas when the next version will be out? I would LOVE to play as the Byzantines!

 

[Ready_set_go]

Well... I don't know if anyone mentioned this.

China's UHV : Build 2 Taoist Pagodas and 2 Confucian Academies

And Confucianism is no longer part of the game. Are we expected to replace that with Zoroastrianism?

 

[Moshe Dayan]

Well... I don't know if anyone mentioned this.

China's UHV : Build 2 Taoist Pagodas and 2 Confucian Academies

And Confucianism is no longer part of the game. Are we expected to replace that with Zoroastrianism?

The Confucian Academy is now a replacement for the University, unique to the Chinese Empire.

 

[Ready_set_go]

And of course, I get an answer that would have been obvious to me had I bothered looking. Thanks for the quick reply.

 

[Leoreth]

As the SVN using people have probably already noticed, I'm currently not working on the modmod. Might be able to find more time for it to finish the next version properly in February.

 

[The Turk]

As the SVN using people have probably already noticed, I'm currently not working on the modmod. Might be able to find more time for it to finish the next version properly in February.

Ya I've realized that both you and Edead haven't been updating the SVN!
Have you been working on something else, or are you just naturally busy with other duties?

Also, one question I had was, why not add the Austrians rather than the Prussians? Having both the Germans and Prussians seems a bit repetitive, I would therefore highly recommend having Austria instead as another civ added in this game. They could invade Italy and move into the Balkans, I think that would be a much better idea than having the Prussians to the exact same thing that a "German" civilization could accomplish. And anyway, when we add a civilization to this game, they should be "specific" peoples like the Austrian-Hungarians.

 

[Leoreth]

The idea was to have the Austrians as successor state to the "German" HRE, which makes more sense because the Habsburgs were Holy Roman Emperors for roughly the last 400 years and then continued to carry the emperor title after the empire was dissolved (another reason for having Wien as the capital). The Prussians on the other hand were a power that emerged from outside of the HRE, so it makes more sense to have them be a newly spawning civ.

 

[AOS9001]

And it'd make for a more interesting relationship between Prussia/Russia/Austria in Eastern Europe. Not to mention, as Austria looses it's northern areas to the Prussians, they'll have to go south, and run into the Turks. Wars aplenty!

 

[The Turk]

Ya but my concern is that Austria never controlled all of Germany in the first place, so representing the Prussians as the Germans as they ethnically and linguistically are makes more sense! You would have the Austrians spawn into a world of a split up HRE which would collapse and then later respawn as the united German Empire (w/ Otto van Bismark), OR you could have them spawn a little earlier as the Prussians and have them conquer the independent German cities. I would go as far as having the HRE be represented by a non-playable faction like the Byzantines are currently, or even VERY STRONG independent German cities would work well as well.

Please Leoreth change your Prussia plans to Austria instead
Also when are you thinking of getting back to modding?

 

[Leoreth]

Ethnically and linguistically there's no prominent difference between the two.

And for historical reasons it makes way more sense to draw a continuity from the HRE to Austria, than to Prussia and the subsequent German Empire.