Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[Sandmonster1989]

Interesting. Could you post a screenshot of that?

Um... how do I make screen shots? I've never tried... also, I tried another game as Italy, and "forced" many wonders in cities, and their UP worked properly. Maybe it was a temporary glitch...

The tiles could be contested at most, because they're in France's core.

Sure. Contested is fine. Just something on the stability map to show that England could own parts of Normandy.

 

[Leoreth]

You can make screenshots by pressing the "print" key on your keyboard. The resulting pictures end up in "My Games\Beyond The Sword\Screenshots\", at least on my system (seems to be standard).

 

[SanePerson]

When Italy is German vassal, it has a txt key error (21)

 

[Leoreth]

When Italy is German vassal, it has a txt key error (21)

Problem found and fixed, thanks.

I've just decided to release another iteration of 1.6 to fix some problems with Italy (balancing etc.), which also will include a new UP and a different second goal. The first goal might be altered as well. New features have to wait a few days I'm afraid.

 

[The Turk]

I was playing a game as the Persians, and when Zorastriansim spawned in my capital, I realized that you had to use the Confucian religion image, so I remembered that Rise of Mankind had a special one, PLUS a special sound track as well, for Zorastriansim; so you might want to pillage that for DoC (also they made a customized Zorastrian missionary unit). Also why do I never see King Hiram when he was the most famous Phoenician King? And who is Elishat, I've never heard of her before! Also I would recommend, that when the Phoenicians die (as in Tyre/Sur is captured), have them respawn a few turns later as the Carthaginians, under Hannibal, in Carthage, I think that would be really great!

EDIT: Why are there horse archers and chariots attacking Mesopotamia from Arabia?? I highly doubt there were many Bedouin tribes attacking Mesopotamia from Chariots and horse back

 

[Leoreth]

Yeah, Zoroastrianism could really use a flavor upgrade. I'll look what I find in RoM.

The Hiram leaderhead here doesn't look very good, Elishat is the Phoenician name of Dido (Greek: Elissa).

Ask Rhye about the Chariots and Horse Archers

 

[The Turk]

Yeah, Zoroastrianism could really use a flavor upgrade. I'll look what I find in RoM.

The Hiram leaderhead here doesn't look very good, Elishat is the Phoenician name of Dido (Greek: Elissa).

Ask Rhye about the Chariots and Horse Archers

1. Dido was a fictional leader, and therefore I don't understand why she warrants being a leader?

2. Ok fine, I understand that this was perhaps Rhye's doing, but can you please change it! And anyway, they come a bit to early IMO, you should just have camel archers coming up later in the game (which are if anything, more accurate )

 

[Opera]

1. Dido was a fictional leader, and therefore I don't understand why she warrants being a leader?

You think she was. Many other scholars don't share your opinion.

 

[Leoreth]

1. Because there's a good LH for her of course. Dido is not entirely fictional and probably existed (just not as described in the Aeneid). If we started here, we'd have to kick out Jimmu (okay, he's dispensable) and Ragnar as well.

2. I'd still better not play around with this because Rhye might've included them for some gameplay or challenge reason.

 

[MessageMan]

Dido's breasts are just way too big. Half the time I feel like she's about to tip over.

Also, half of her chest is darker than the other. It looks like she went tanning but then switched to a lower cut top to talk to you. It's a bit jarring.

And she does the Catherine ponytail animation, but Dido doesn't have a ponytail. She ends up grasping thin air.

I was planning on using her as an alternate leader but decided to just keep Hannibal.

 

[Cethegus]

Also I would recommend, that when the Phoenicians die (as in Tyre/Sur is captured), have them respawn a few turns later as the Carthaginians, under Hannibal, in Carthage, I think that would be really great!

I don't know if that's such a good idea, really. Just boost their stability to the level of other small colonial empires (Netherlands, Portugal) if not already, so that they don't immediately die after losing their capital. Hannibal should come right about the time other states start to attack them, so I guess that serves the same purpose you recommended but is far easier to implement? I don't think Phoenicians really need to represent all their three leaderheads for such a short period of time: Hiram (Phoenicia), Dido/Elissa (Carthage) and Hannibal (later Carthage) for what, one era?
That would also mean we'd see Hannibal from across the Middle Ages all the way up to the Modern Era in charge of Carthage. 19th century Cleopatra problem.

By the way, when speaking of capitals, does losing your capital cost you more stability than losing a city in general? I'd like to know if "chasing" the enemy government has any real affect on the game.

Also why is Scandanavia so "green" and fertile? I don't think its THAT fertile!

It is not, but considering gameplay purposes there's not much of a choice. Would you rather have Scandinavia full of plains and a need to farm spam, with maybe a few extra food resources thrown to the mix? I think Scandinavia (as depicted here, green and resourceless) is in reality less fertile than Turkey, which is hills plains - quite a contradiction. Do you see a problem with that? Personally I don't, it serves the gameplay quite well.

I think Scandinavia would be better represented as a single Swedish civ in the game with a more tailor-amde UP to make up for their lack of production, but that's just a personal opinion. I'm not suggesting Sweden should be in, as the concensus seems to be the keep the Vikings in.

 

[Sandmonster1989]

I think you should "raid" SoI and RoM for some of their art--Leaders, units, more importantly images for Cities and the SoI's Palace image and the more visually pleasing Spiral Minaret. I think Egypt, Greece and Rome could do with a little makeover for aesthetic purposes from RoM.
Maybe a few resources to add to the game, too. Potatoes (big stable in the world) and something like Dates would be pretty nice. But those aren't a big issue, it might add something that makes the mod "too much"...

I hope its doable and easy

Also, on the Download page, the info for the new version isn't hidden behind a spoiler...

 

[Leoreth]

By the way, when speaking of capitals, does losing your capital cost you more stability than losing a city in general? I'd like to know if "chasing" the enemy government has any real affect on the game.

I've just learned from Baldyr that a conquered capital can also trigger a collapse, even when you're over -40 stability.

I think you should "raid" SoI and RoM for some of their art--Leaders, units, more importantly images for Cities and the SoI's Palace image and the more visually pleasing Spiral Minaret. I think Egypt, Greece and Rome could do with a little makeover for aesthetic purposes from RoM.
Maybe a few resources to add to the game, too. Potatoes (big stable in the world) and something like Dates would be pretty nice. But those aren't a big issue, it might add something that makes the mod "too much"...

I hope its doable and easy

Also, on the Download page, the info for the new version isn't hidden behind a spoiler...

The problem with these things is that they cost time which could also be used to develop new features, improve the balance or fix bugs. I'd better bring the game to a certain list of features and then start to improve on graphics, music and texts.

New resources would mess up the balance because the current numbers are tailored to provide just the right challenge of keeping your cities happy/healthy.

And thanks for the notification on the download page

 

[Sandmonster1989]

New resources would mess up the balance because the current numbers are tailored to provide just the right challenge of keeping your cities happy/healthy.

Ya, just a suggestion. I kinda figured that it would be rejected, but thats the point of the forum.

So, you will EVENTUALLY "kidnap" graphics from other mods to improve this one more? As long as its on ur list somewhere. You'd better get the foundation down before you start decorating.

 

[Leoreth]

This is my philosophy as well

 

[civ_king]

Dido's breasts are just way too big. Half the time I feel like she's about to tip over.

Also, half of her chest is darker than the other. It looks like she went tanning but then switched to a lower cut top to talk to you. It's a bit jarring.

And she does the Catherine ponytail animation, but Dido doesn't have a ponytail. She ends up grasping thin air.

I was planning on using her as an alternate leader but decided to just keep Hannibal.

I've seen worse comments about Dido like Dildo and Dothat

Ya, just a suggestion. I kinda figured that it would be rejected, but thats the point of the forum.

So, you will EVENTUALLY "kidnap" graphics from other mods to improve this one more? As long as its on ur list somewhere. You'd better get the foundation down before you start decorating.

It's okay as long as you credit

PS I think the Italy UP GP points are tied the same way culture from wonders are, you need to enable culture from military captured wonders

 

[Leoreth]

It was tied to the culture a wonder would produce if it were self-built, no matter if conquered or not.

However, I decided to change the UP to have every wonder give an additional free specialist to its city (until the Industrial Era). This way it's more different to Greece's UP and still achieves many great persons. I had to tone their research down a bit (and probably will have to do so with their culture), but in my opinion it's a really fun and effective mechanic.

 

[corovanrobber]

How about setting a custom colour for China instead of that Shaka yellow. With it I can't help myself but think of the Zulus
As a matter of fact I have done this before, and it looked like in this post. I can post the colour values, if you need them posted.

 

[Opera]

Zulus are grey, aren't they? More like the Natives.

China's pale yellow is perfect

 

[corovanrobber]

You haven't played plain Civ in ages don't you.