Dawn of Civilization - an RFC modmod by Leoreth

[civ_king]

Thanks for the report

Will all be fixed soon.


Good point Marble makes more sense, it being in Carthage's fat cross, right?

yup, still going to add that contested area in Iberia for Arabia? Also what about gifting cities to Civs in their historical area where they don't have culture, I'd prefer to be able to give Mexico, Maya and Inca to Spain rather than keep them as Arabia

 

[Leoreth]

The contested area will be added once I have the time (making only slow progress currently).

I don't know how to influence whom you can your cities liberate to at the moment, though.

 

[Cethegus]

Good point Marble makes more sense, it being in Carthage's fat cross, right?

Athens' also. Maybe just add a Stone resource to northern Africa between Alexandria and Carthage? That area is very bare at the moment, but even that wouldn't necessarily solve anything. You'd have to go through the trouble of settling a small trading post while Rome gets Stone right away.

Spoiler :

Then again, isn't that what the Phoenicians should do in the mod?

 

[rob85]

I don't know abut the number/distance, because I deleted the bonut to try out the AI behaviour. The problem is very annoying because I can't spread corporations. Only France has free market and Napoleon is furious towards me. Vikings have mercantilism, Mali has free market as far as I remember, and the rest is state property.

I'll try restoring original file.

Yes, it is number of cities. I don't know how I could mix them...

 

[kairob]

If you want to stop people being state property you should use espionage to effect their civics.

 

[rob85]

I have already tried that and switching using diplomacy, but they adopt state property again after a few turns and the corporations are erased then. So this is not a solution for this problem. It not historical that almost every country is communist in 1860.

And BTW, increased cost didn't change anything. I'll delete the maintenance bonus and see what will happen.

 

[dafiden]

There's a bug in Stability.py in the democracy code.

if (iCivic0 == 0 or (iCivic0 == 1 and iCivic1 != 8) or iCivic0 == 2 or iCivic0 == 3 or (iCivic0 == 4 and iCivic1 != 8)): #despotic governments: every government except republic+representation and monarchy+representation
                                self.setDemocracyCountdown(iPlayer, -1) #has a desp. gov.
if (self.getDemocracyCountdown(iPlayer) == -1 and iCivic1 == 9): #switched to Parliament
                                self.setDemocracyCountdown(iPlayer, 7) #7 turns

I am Republic (icivic1 = 9) and Parliament (icivic0 = 4). Thus, both the first and second if blocks trigger every turn, i.e. my democracy timer is always reset to 7 turns every turn. Thus, I never get out of the democracy instability period!

Now, I'm not sure if this is what you intended, but I fixed it by changing the iCivic1 != 8 to iCivic1 != 9 in the first if statement.

 

[Leoreth]

That's definitely a mistake, thanks for the in-depth look into the responsible code as well!

 

[dafiden]

That's definitely a mistake, thanks for the in-depth look into the responsible code as well!

You're welcome.

 

[AOS9001]

Here's a few things I've noticed:

-I conquered the Philipenes (spelled wrong) as Spain from Japan, but all the Japanese city names were kept. Is this supposed to happen?
-As you know, the conqueror's event is not working anymore. Thought I'd bring it up again.
-Portugal and Russia could both use a Catholic missionary on start, it's kind of irritating when 300 years go by and only Buddhism or something spreads to Lisboa/Moscva.
-The increased colonial tendencies is good, but France settingling West Africa in 1200 AD just doesn't feel right. Maybe you can make them start going all colonial after a certain date.
-I know Byzantium is only in it's early stages of addition, but their UHV goal 2 does not check in 1200. Furthermore, they need to flip more cities on start. I'm pretty sure that this is a problem you mentioned, but they don't stand a chance without either the iron from Athens or a bigger starting army. And if a way could be found to make them spawn in Constantinopolis and have that automatically become their capital, that'd be very good. Founding that worthless city in western Anatolia before the flip is very annoying. Their UP doesn't work either.

I had more, but I have to go now.

 

[civ_king]

The contested area will be added once I have the time (making only slow progress currently).

I don't know how to influence whom you can your cities liberate to at the moment, though.

Who is this Agust#237;n de Betancourt I'm playing as Spain...

Could you add Torre de Belem? We need more non-Islamic Iberian wonders!

If possible:
It would be an interesting idea if we could temporarily "fuse" two civs, would be great if I could recreate the Iberian Unions and build the combined Empires of Spain and Portugal! Perhaps it could be like a permanent alliance that breaks if either part falls below shaky, would also need shared religion.

 

[SanePerson]

Who is this Agust#237;n de Betancourt I'm playing as Spain...

Could you add Torre de Belem? We need more non-Islamic Iberian wonders!

If possible:
It would be an interesting idea if we could temporarily "fuse" two civs, would be great if I could recreate the Iberian Unions and build the combined Empires of Spain and Portugal! Perhaps it could be like a permanent alliance that breaks if either part falls below shaky, would also need shared religion.

This seems to occur with everyone- who's Edwin Schro#246dinger?

 

[Leoreth]

Here's a few things I've noticed:

-I conquered the Philipenes (spelled wrong) as Spain from Japan, but all the Japanese city names were kept. Is this supposed to happen?

I think yes ... Rhye's general principle on that seems to be that the renaming only accounts for different names for one city in different languages, not for different cities that happen to be on one tile. So if Spain conquers a pre-existing Japanese city, they'll only try to integrate its name into their language, but not think of an own name for it like if they founded it.

-As you know, the conqueror's event is not working anymore. Thought I'd bring it up again.

I fixed one offending line I found, but didn't test it. I do not recommend to update your version at the moment (the current revision crashes), though I will commit a stable one tomorrow and fix that and other minor aspects mentioned here.

-Portugal and Russia could both use a Catholic missionary on start, it's kind of irritating when 300 years go by and only Buddhism or something spreads to Lisboa/Moscva.

Agreed, and Netherlands is a good candidate as well (it'll get a Protestant missionary if the Reformation already happened, of course).

-The increased colonial tendencies is good, but France settingling West Africa in 1200 AD just doesn't feel right. Maybe you can make them start going all colonial after a certain date.

Don't know if I can influence that ...

-I know Byzantium is only in it's early stages of addition, but their UHV goal 2 does not check in 1200. Furthermore, they need to flip more cities on start. I'm pretty sure that this is a problem you mentioned, but they don't stand a chance without either the iron from Athens or a bigger starting army. And if a way could be found to make them spawn in Constantinopolis and have that automatically become their capital, that'd be very good. Founding that worthless city in western Anatolia before the flip is very annoying. Their UP doesn't work either.

I had more, but I have to go now.

I've already included one additional row to the south to include Athens and Alexandretta (future Antioch). Also with the continent boundaries removed, one will see at least one additional Greek city in Anatolia (they often found Ankyra, Sinope or Trapezous).

With the current mechanic they would destroy a pre-existing Constantinople would I set their spawn exactly to the Bosporus. I'll try to find a way around that though.

Didn't somebody confirm that the UP worked already? I didn't play the Byzantines at all so far and only focused on improving their starting situation.

Who is this Agust#237;n de Betancourt I'm playing as Spain...

#237; is the HTML character for í. I don't know why the game isn't able to parse it correctly anymore. Once the trouble with Byzantium is over, I'll try again to relocate the entire dynamic GP naming to the SDK which should avoid all the weird GP name problems.

Could you add Torre de Belem? We need more non-Islamic Iberian wonders!

Agreed, but I'm currently short on unique effects ...

If possible:
It would be an interesting idea if we could temporarily "fuse" two civs, would be great if I could recreate the Iberian Unions and build the combined Empires of Spain and Portugal! Perhaps it could be like a permanent alliance that breaks if either part falls below shaky, would also need shared religion.

From how I understand the alliance mechanic, this would either be extremely complicated or completely impossible

Short update on the "realistic Byzantine start" front: I've completely removed all artificial continent barriers for now (after I had much trouble with a more dynamic approach), so America, Australia and Eurasiafrica are the only continents. Along with more aggressive personalities for Cyrus and Dareios, Greece and Persia usually share a border in Anatolia.

Greece expansion or Roman conquests of Greece are still unusual, but I havent played around with Alexander's personality and Rome's UP yet. At least the Phoenicians and Babylonians are usually dead now in 330 AD, which is good.

 

[AOS9001]

I think yes ... Rhye's general principle on that seems to be that the renaming only accounts for different names for one city in different languages, not for different cities that happen to be on one tile. So if Spain conquers a pre-existing Japanese city, they'll only try to integrate its name into their language, but not think of an own name for it like if they founded it.

I fixed one offending line I found, but didn't test it. I do not recommend to update your version at the moment (the current revision crashes), though I will commit a stable one tomorrow and fix that and other minor aspects mentioned here.


I've already included one additional row to the south to include Athens and Alexandretta (future Antioch). Also with the continent boundaries removed, one will see at least one additional Greek city in Anatolia (they often found Ankyra, Sinope or Trapezous).

With the current mechanic they would destroy a pre-existing Constantinople would I set their spawn exactly to the Bosporus. I'll try to find a way around that though.

Didn't somebody confirm that the UP worked already? I didn't play the Byzantines at all so far and only focused on improving their starting situation.

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(Tower of Belem)
Agreed, but I'm currently short on unique effects ...

@First three: Ah, I see. That makes sense. About early colonialism, oh well. Guess it can be more of a challenge. I've noticed that Britain will pre-place their settlers in America, and then found multiple cities all at once. Odd behavior, if you ask me.

@Byzantine things: Very good. Attaleia (something like that) is definitely one of the best cities in Anatolia, Sinope is nice too. I don't like inland cities that much, though. Well, you get some, you lose some.

For the spawn, maybe you can have it like the Ayyubids/Mamluks in Sword of Islam. When they spawn, they already have Cairo. If Cairo isn't there, the settler they start with will build it. Maybe you can do the same for the Byzantines.

Well, the UP doesn't work for me. I turned my culture slider up, the espionage went up, but then it stopped. If I turned it down again, the espionage stayed the same, if I went higher, it stayed the same. I think that's what happened. I have no idea how I could get to 70 espionage a turn without courthouses.

I have an idea for the Tower of Belem: Since it's Portuguese, it's bonuses could reflect the goals of the Portuguese. A few extra trade routes, maybe +1 gold from a certain building (harbor?), even lower maintenance for colonies. That might be too overpowered though.

 

[Leoreth]

For the spawn, maybe you can have it like the Ayyubids/Mamluks in Sword of Islam. When they spawn, they already have Cairo. If Cairo isn't there, the settler they start with will build it. Maybe you can do the same for the Byzantines.

Yeah I also thought about looking into SoI to see how edead did it

 

[civ_king]

SPain needs historical in Spanish Sahara, Iol Ceasara tile, Sicily/South Italy, Corsica/Sardinia

 

[Sandmonster1989]

Why not give the Tower of Belem some sort of effect such as "+1 movement on ocean", "Cities founded on foreign continents have -50% maintenance", "cities found on foreign contintents have a lighthouse, faetoria (customs house), and a courthouse" (those buildings aren't part of the base buildings so I thought of some nice buildings to get on a foreign continent), "new cities get founded get fat cross from the start (start with 10 culture)". You said you were out of ideas, i'm sure that other people have many great ideas as well...

 

[civ_king]

Why not give the Tower of Belem some sort of effect such as "+1 movement on ocean", "Cities founded on foreign continents have -50% maintenance", "cities found on foreign contintents have a lighthouse, faetoria (customs house), and a courthouse" (those buildings aren't part of the base buildings so I thought of some nice buildings to get on a foreign continent), "new cities get founded get fat cross from the start (start with 10 culture)". You said you were out of ideas, i'm sure that other people have many great ideas as well...

good ideas, but I don't think if the courthouse is granted for free you get the stability bonus

What about eliminates unhealthiness from Jungle? would definitely enhance colonizing Brazil or Africa

PS Leoreth, I have heard that courthouses only give stability bonus if below stable, could you change it to solid?

 

[rob85]

State property still is too powerful for the AI, even after removing the maintenance bonus... I don't know what to do.

Okay, I'll try to remove +10% production bonus and food from watermill.

I influenced civics by espionage and will see if they still switch. But is seems a litte too weak now. If they don't I'll restore some bonuses.

They don't switch so I'm restoring the production bonus now and maybe later maintenance.

 

[Cethegus]

Since Torre de Belém was used as a customs house, I've seen it usually increase commerce from the city's water tiles by +2 or +3 in mods.

It has been used for a lot of different purposes though. I vote for increase in water tiles' commerce.