Decision on Prop 8 pending

[Haseri]

Why is the status quo or the norm in any way a special thing?

Before 1990, it was the law that a man could legally rape his wife. It took the House Of Lords to change that.

Things need to change.

 

[useless]

Because social Conservatives are normally scared by gay/female/black empowerment of any kind.

 

[NovaKart]

If it were only that simple, this wouldnt be a big issue. But its not that simple.

They are being forced to recognize something as legitimate and legal thats never been the status quo or anywhere near the norm, ever, in our nation.

It should be that simple. Unfortunately, some people want to force their religious or social beliefs on other people. If a gay couple gets married it doesn't have any impact on your life.

It may not have been the norm but there have always been gay people throughout history. Why shouldnt' gays be able to take their place in society and be treated the same as others? Because you think that God wrote a book?

 

[nonconformist]

Hahaha, the UK doesnt have gay marriage either. kthxbye.

Defacto we do, nioone really makes a difference between the two, since it's pretty much irrelevant today in england, everyone pretty much refers to their "husands" and "wives", and so few people get married in church.
The only rerason it's not called marriage is to placate the moronic religious minority.

Though I aprreciate you took the time out of your busy day to reply to me with the maturity of my little brother.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I think there was a legal implication as well, the Dissolution of Marriage act (I think) allows an immediate dissolution of a marriage if you discover you have accidentally married a person of the same gender as yourself.

 

[useless]

If you dislike homosexuals to the point where you feel the urge to deny them the same rights and benefits you would expect to have, then it says more about that person than about the homosexuals.

 

[MobBoss]

Defacto we do, nioone really makes a difference between the two, since it's pretty much irrelevant today in england, everyone pretty much refers to their "husands" and "wives", and so few people get married in church.
The only rerason it's not called marriage is to placate the moronic religious minority.

That....and its also actually the law.

Though I aprreciate you took the time out of your busy day to reply to me with the maturity of my little brother.

Just using the same words and tone of the post I was replying to. I mean really noncon, you give a bunch of schoolyard insults to Americans over this and then want to lecture me on maturity?

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[useless]

The man who opposes homosexual marriage on the basis that isn't the social norm is the (apparently) mature one here

 

[MobBoss]

The man who opposes homosexual marriage on the basis that isn't the social norm is the mature one here

Thanks for recognizing that. As BJ said in the thread earlier we need to all show some restraint in our comments on such a heated topic.

 

[Mango Elephant]

I think there are a lot of arguments against gay marriage. They just arn't good.

I find most people who disagree with gay marriage have a similar argument pattern. They come up with evidence that really shouldn't matter (like how gay marriages often have higher divorce rates or how gays can change or gays are unnatural or something similar) while disregarding reasons why gays should marry by ignoring/disregarding it with no reason, or if there is a reason it's backed up with the above evidence that really shouldn't matter. They often have religious motives, but since those arguments don't count because of Seperation of Church and State they grasp all arguments in their favor - even if the argument doesn't make sense - like a starved person grabbing food.

Something I posted earlier.

These are Civil Rights, people who deny these to people who have done nothing wrong disgust me like very few things can.

 

[nonconformist]

That....and its also actually the law.

What is? The fact we allow civil unions? Nationally? With equal rights to marriage?

Just using the same words and tone of the post I was replying to. I mean really noncon, you give a bunch of schoolyard insults to Americans over this and then want to lecture me on maturity?

Thanks for the laugh.

Kthxbai

 

[useless]

What i was saying was that because for some irrational reason you're against homosexual marriage doesn't mean you're mature

 

[useless]

"A tax on Yarmulkes is a tax on Jews" "A law against homosexual marriage is a law against homosexuals"

 

[Bei1052]

Obviously you are the singular genius who should demarcate what rights belong to who. Bei1052 alone knows what past, present, and future rulings are erroneous! In contrast, our judiciary is a bunch of activist idiots who have not the slightest clue about the Constitution in comparison to our newfound leader!

I call upon all rational human beings to submit to our new supreme moral leader!

ALL HAIL BEI1052. ALL HAIL BEI1052. ALL HAIL BEI1052...

Surely, you can do better, can't you? If you want any specific right, either petition your legislature for it or have the Federal government pass a law granting you whatever right you think you should have. That would be the-- dare I say it?-- proper avenue, though it's a much harder recourse of action then simply stating that whatever right you want to exist, exists.

At any rate, I do hope this decision gets overturned, because it's the utterly wrong way to get gay marriage to be legal.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The day after the morality of my country degenerates completely under the pressure of American "culture" and gay marriage is passed in Russia, American thugs will invade Russia and rape and pillage my holy land, like they now do with Iraq, Afganistan and countless other places All Patriotic Russians should combat that menace

 

[sumit1207]

While it is certainly the wrong kind of motivation, I figure Justice Kennedy is looking to secure some kind of legacy for himself as he's getting close to retirement. He probably understands the inevitability of gay marriage, so maybe he's thinking "why not go down in history like Warren than as Taney?"

 

[El_Machinae]

Moderator Action: The tone in the thread will improve, please

 

[Bei1052]

While it is certainly the wrong kind of motivation, I figure Justice Kennedy is looking to secure some kind of legacy for himself as he's getting close to retirement. He probably understands the inevitability of gay marriage, so maybe he's thinking "why not go down in history like Warren than as Taney?"

He achieved infamy status back in 1992.

Edit: And if it's inevitable, then he doesn't need to rule on in its favor

 

[civ_king]

"Returning"? It was never theirs in the first place. Certainly not "originally" (the Catholic church only started pushing the idea that marriage had to be done as a religious sacrament after the Reformation, and Protestant churches have varied in their outlook as one might expect), and in the modern era entirely civil legal marriages have been available in pretty much every civilized country since at least the mid-19th century and in some places much longer (and in the specific case of the USA, I believe since the country's foundation).

For members of various religions to start complaining NOW about something that's been that way since before anyone now living was born is sort of... disingenious.

Augustine of Hippo died in 430 and talked about the sacrament of marriage so... if you want the rights of marriage go get a civil unions it's legally equivalent (yes I know it's not currently available so go fight for it)

you pretty much just embarressed yourself. marriage is a legal instituition as well.

just because it's been co-opt doesn't mean

Indeed it does. Christianity already nicked it from the pagans, so it's either an non-religious holiday, or a pagan holiday. Can't have your cake and eat it.

um no, the conception is regarded as March 25 for nine months later is December 25th

Wait, you mean to tell me negroes want rights? But once the neegra gets learnin into his head, there ain't no keepin' him down no how

at my school they out of 50 african americans only 2 care about education (I'm friends with them)

Why is the status quo or the norm in any way a special thing?

Before 1990, it was the law that a man could legally rape his wife. It took the House Of Lords to change that.

Things need to change.

marriage is about compromise, if I wasn't in the mood but my wife wanted it I would give it all I've got

Something I posted earlier.

These are Civil Rights, people who deny these to people who have done nothing wrong disgust me like very few things can.

homosexuals can stop banging people of the same gender, but black people can't stop being black

 

[Haseri]

While they can stop having sex with the same gender, they won't stop them being gay.