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edit: for the other Albertan: how do you not know ACW == Americal Civil War?
(this being a Civ game site I mean) of course, could just be standard BrainFart(tm) striking.
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I’m an American and we don’t abbreviate the American Civil War. It’s not like World War I or II where it’s almost universally known abbreviation. For all I know, you could be taking about an Argentinian Civil War or any number of <Nation that starts with the letter “A”> Civil War.
 
Actually, I do. (some of it)
For there to be an ACW2 there would have to be a rebellious side of significant numbers in some kind of geographic proximity along with some organizing structure or leader to direct their actions. ACW1 had a cause that had been brewing for years and half the country that supported it. They had a physical space to organize themselves and form an army. War, violence and rebellion are too disruptive for most people to even consider. We are a pretty lazy people when it comes to civil action. the Freedom Riders of the 1950s and anti war protestors for the 60s and 70s are about as close as we have gotten to significant civil action and those were all local actions directed at either local or state governments or national policy. What would all these MAGA hard asses actually do? Go shoot the state legislators? march on Washington to take over the government? Gather in Kansas to make an army of 50,000 fat old men with guns and dressed in camo? March around living off the land by raiding supermarkets? :lol:
 
This isn't really "one small detail" imo, ditching the murder weapon ASAP is a very elementary thing to do. Imo it just speaks more to NYPD's incompetence that it took them as long as it did to catch up with the guy than to any kind of conspiracy.
Whether he kept the gun on his person or not wasnt going to change how soon he was caught. (Just the certainty they had the right guy when they did catch him). How quickly did he leave NYPD's jurisdiction for NYPD to find him on their own?

Alot of cameras could have caught him throwing a gun into water or dumpster, this isnt the movies where killers 'know' where all the cameras are.
 
I’m an American and we don’t abbreviate the American Civil War. It’s not like World War I or II where it’s almost universally known abbreviation. For all I know, you could be taking about an Argentinian Civil War or any number of <Nation that starts with the letter “A”> Civil War.

Some do, some don't. Point taken though for acronyms. (btw, for giggles, search ACW Acronym .. some hilarious ones)


For there to be an ACW2 there would have to be a rebellious side of significant numbers in some kind of geographic proximity along with some organizing structure or leader to direct their actions. ACW1 had a cause that had been brewing for years and half the country that supported it. They had a physical space to organize themselves and form an army. War, violence and rebellion are too disruptive for most people to even consider. We are a pretty lazy people when it comes to civil action. the Freedom Riders of the 1950s and anti war protestors for the 60s and 70s are about as close as we have gotten to significant civil action and those were all local actions directed at either local or state governments or national policy. What would all these MAGA hard asses actually do? Go shoot the state legislators? march on Washington to take over the government? Gather in Kansas to make an army of 50,000 fat old men with guns and dressed in camo? March around living off the land by raiding supermarkets? :lol:

Do you always have to add a derogatory term to MAGA?


It could be called civil war, but it would not be civil. no, it wouldn't be armies marching either.
They don't have to be in close proximity geographically either.

Not going to go into how things could go. Note the word *** could ***. could =/= would (or should)
 
He seemed to have thought it out in advance. Had a manifesto in his pocket in case he gets shot - not unheard of in America. There are shades of "putting up a last fight" in his last memoir and in his twitter, so I guess he might have been planning the last stand, that's why he kept the gun. But then, at the last moment when confronted by actual officer, he folded.
Maybe. But he could also have simply dumped incriminating evidences, and kept a regular gun not connected with his shooting with him. The fact he had a well-planned escape plan that he executed perfectly shows that he intended to get away with it if possible.
It simply feels pretty contrived. Let's say that if he claims to have been framed, I would have reason to believe it might be the case.
Killers mess up one small detail all the time. Thats how they get caught.
Keeping a pile of evidences on yourself for days on end is hardly "a small detail", though.
He could also think he got away with it and was going to keep those things as trophies/momentos. To use the gun again in the future? The manifesto to be mailed to newspapers out after got to whatever final destination he was going to? (If he even had a plan that far ahead of time. Might have even surprised himself he made it out of the city).
All that would sound plausible if he had been caught in the few hours after the shooting, but it just feels weird after several days.
I dunno, but if I had evidences of murder in my possession and wanted to keep them as memento while an active manhunt is on the way, I'd hide them somewhere only I can found them. The LAST thing I would do would be to keep them on my person at all times.
 
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Whether he kept the gun on his person or not wasnt going to change how soon he was caught. (Just the certainty they had the right guy when they did catch him). How quickly did he leave NYPD's jurisdiction for NYPD to find him on their own?

Alot of cameras could have caught him throwing a gun into water or dumpster, this isnt the movies where killers 'know' where all the cameras are.

I know that, the point is not ditching the gun somewhere just shows that the guy isn't a criminal mastermind.
 
Do you always have to add a derogatory term to MAGA?


It could be called civil war, but it would not be civil. no, it wouldn't be armies marching either.
They don't have to be in close proximity geographically either.

Not going to go into how things could go. Note the word *** could ***. could =/= would (or should)
MAGA in the US has nothing to do with what the words mean. We have lived with those folks for 9+ years and understand their cult leader and goals pretty well. They do not offer anything of value to the country and are the most divisive force in US politics in recent years.

How do you imagine such a "uncivil war" unfolding if not with large groups of armed people trying to take over the country by force? Red states leaving the union? Red states invading blue states? Militias taking over state governments and rounding up democrats? Bombing the offices of the NYT, WaPo and MSNBC?
 
Maybe Luigi was looking forward to getting caught and only tried to extend the manhunt as part of his plan.
 
I dunno, but if I had evidences of murder in my possession and wanted to keep them as memento while an active manhunt is on the way, I'd hide them somewhere only I can found them. The LAST thing I would do would be to keep them on my person at all times.
Where would you hide it if you dont own any property in a city with millions of people?

Ive seen it suggested it wasnt on his person, but in his luggage that was presumedly under the bus (and the McDonald's is where the bus stopped at for riders to eat). But thats all random reddit comments, so not in anyway confirmed.

I know that, the point is not ditching the gun somewhere just shows that the guy isn't a criminal mastermind.
He wasnt a criminal mastermind, we can agree on that. That in no way means he wasnt the shooter which some like to insinuate "the act of murder was so well planned, he couldnt have messed up and got caught".
 
Maybe Luigi was looking forward to getting caught and only tried to extend the manhunt as part of his plan.
That occurred to me. It's possible he knew he couldn't run forever from a high-profile killing in this day and age, but he did take the opportunity make a mockery of the NYPD by slipping away, rather than just wait for them at the site with manifesto in hand.
 
his place in history is not in the fight with a bad back . He is already excused , so he will watch from the side without the manipulations thousands of leaders will have to invent . He was caught because he needed , he wanted to be caught . Did you hear about the SUV size drones over New Jersey ? Yeah , he could have easily disappeared , with the risk of being caught . This is not the fight of CFC .
 
Where would you hide it if you dont own any property in a city with millions of people?

Hypothetically, my choice would probably be a port-o-potty. Better yet, dismantle it and drop the parts in a bunch of different places.
 
Japan was always better in this sort of 'social statement by an outsider' thing. In the US, time and time again you just see one or two people shooting at others. It's a tragedy, but the scale simply doesn't bring about change, and typically there isn't even any thought to treat the causes; only viewed as lonewolf person doing insane stuff because insane. At best/worst it gets turned into another moment in a 'cultural war'. Maybe so rich a country should actually try to treat the causes of some of its members becoming so disillusioned with it all that they commit statement-driven murder.
Not that currently anything can even be done. Some people - hopefully still a minority, but maybe not - even think that around half the population is the enemy.
 
We are a pretty lazy people when it comes to civil action. the Freedom Riders of the 1950s and anti war protestors for the 60s and 70s are about as close as we have gotten to significant civil action and those were all local actions directed at either local or state governments or national policy.
Jan 6 was a pretty significant Civil action. The BLM protests, particularly during the COVID lockdowns were also pretty significant Civil action. The Occupy Wall Street protests all over the country were also pretty significant Civil Action. I'd even say the Tea Party rallies/protests were pretty significant Civil action. The Million Man March was also a significant Civil action.
What would all these MAGA hard asses actually do? Go shoot the state legislators? march on Washington to take over the government? Gather in Kansas to make an army of 50,000 fat old men with guns and dressed in camo? March around living off the land by raiding supermarkets?
Yes.
I know that, the point is not ditching the gun somewhere just shows that the guy isn't a criminal mastermind.
Initially the news was portraying him as a professional hitman because he had a proper shooting stance, attached a silencer to his weapon and knew how to clear a bullet jam.
Maybe Luigi was looking forward to getting caught and only tried to extend the manhunt as part of his plan.
I don't think he necessarily wanted to be caught, but he knew that getting caught was probably inevitable. It definitely seems like he wanted to shoot some additional targets on his list before getting caught.
 
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Probably gonna get caught but lay low for a month or two and grow some facial hair.

And don't go in hotel lobbies or anywhere except the street before you do itm
 
Initially the news was portraying him as a professional hitman because he had a proper shooting stance, attached a silencer to his weapon and knew how to clear a bullet jam.

Yeah, I saw the video and thought it was plausible he was a hitman. Which is why I figured he would have ditched the evidence and been out of the country the same day. That....turned out not to be the case.
 
Yeah, I saw the video and thought it was plausible he was a hitman. Which is why I figured he would have ditched the evidence and been out of the country the same day. That....turned out not to be the case.

Hitmen for the most part don't exist.

The rare few are gang related.
 
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