Discussion on Potential NES and IOT Forum Merger

[Zack]

And both names can be combined easily enough.

NES/IOT

That's what I suggested last time this discussion came around.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I'd still say that any combined name (or lack thereof) should be decided by community majority opinion after the fact. It's best to decide on if there is going to be a merger at all before dealing with details that won't matter if there isn't.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Well hecky darn, I guess we will have to trash the entire board and start over with new software.

Yeah, that's one option.

But I'd settle for a couple of new skin themes and a few new smileys, which are far more doable.

 

[SamSniped]

Still waiting on that cheerleader smiley, Lefty.

 

[Thlayli]

Symphony made an excellent point over on the long and brutal debates we've had over on the Frontier about the community's future. It makes little sense to CHANGE something if you don't really know what it IS to begin with. If NES and IOT *are* the same thing, they should be merged. But if they're *not* the same thing, then they shouldn't. Activity is tangential, if you're just mashing people together without a good reason to do so, activity could just decline due to some factions getting disillusioned by change.

Cause NESers and IOTers present different types of games.

So, while we're on the subject, is the consensus still that IOT's are more "board-gamey" than NESes are, while NESes try to simulate reality through more detailed narratives and stats?

That's the longstanding impression I've got of IOTs, but maybe IOTers are starting to resist the simplicity of their games and are urging for improvements that they simply lack the experience and dedication to accomplish, experience that we have in NES.

I'd like the IOTers to chime in on this. I got a range of skill from the IOTers who I enrolled in my narrative story experiment, from fairly in-depth and hardworking to poorly written and typo-riddled, but not all of it was totally sub-par, so I lack sufficient information to judge for myself.

 

[BSmith1068]

I think those lines have been blurred for some time and frankly merging the forums will help us get over those preconceived notions of what one or the other are.

 

[Thlayli]

I think those lines have been blurred for some time and ftankly merging the forums will help us get over those preconceived notions of what one or the other are.

Yes, you've made it amply clear that you think that, Bsmith, but I'd like to consult the people who are actually running and playing in the games in the community. IoTers, in my opinion, have always seemed to post chaotic games with little forethought or organization, but in recent years it SEEMS like there has been an uptick in quality.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

I think that too, and I'm running a game, and have been running games for the past 13 years.

 

[Sonereal]

Yes, you've made it amply clear that you think that, Bsmith, but I'd like to consult the people who are actually running and playing in the games in the community. IoTers, in my opinion, have always seemed to post chaotic games with little forethought or organization, but in recent years it SEEMS like there has been an uptick in quality.

The average IOTer today is older than the average IOTer four years ago, when it seemed everybody was like, 14-16 instead of 18-22 these days.

Anybody who doesn't think age matters should compare a random sample of orders from players between 14 and 16 with a random sample of orders from players 18-22, and then 22+.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

The average IOTer today is older than the average IOTer four years ago, when it seemed everybody was like, 14-16 instead of 18-22 these days.

Anybody who doesn't think age matters should compare a random sample of orders from players between 14 and 16 with a random sample of orders from players 18-22, and then 22+.

I'd also invite you to look at NESing as of 11-13 years ago when the average NESer was the same age as the average IOTer four years ago. It's pretty enlightening.

 

[hoplitejoe]

As one of the main proponent of the "IOTs are boardgames, NESes are stories" sort of thing a couple of years ago, I want to say I gave up on that idea a long time ago. Even at the time it seemed like a bit of a false dichotomy motivated by my grudges at the time. Who am I to say why players are playing and why GMs are GMing? Just cos I saw IOT a very game like system, and it helped me win an argument I assumed everyone had the same reasons to play as me.

Now, with the games even more varied within IOT the distinction seems even more untenable than before. It's time people get off their high horses and realise these are just dumb (but fun, creative ect.) forum games.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Still waiting on that cheerleader smiley, Lefty.

Dealing with the smilies is not yet in my skillset. I am the "low tech" admin who deals with policy and common member service functions.

 

[gay_Aleks]

So.. I've been reading this topic, and I have one question:

What the hell? What's wrong with you people? Did you eat something bad and now you can't behave properly? Cuz that seems the only explanation for most of the posts in this 11-paged thread. I can't believe most of the things said here.

 

[NinjaCow64]

So, while we're on the subject, is the consensus still that IOT's are more "board-gamey" than NESes are, while NESes try to simulate reality through more detailed narratives and stats?

That's the longstanding impression I've got of IOTs, but maybe IOTers are starting to resist the simplicity of their games and are urging for improvements that they simply lack the experience and dedication to accomplish, experience that we have in NES.

I'd like the IOTers to chime in on this. I got a range of skill from the IOTers who I enrolled in my narrative story experiment, from fairly in-depth and hardworking to poorly written and typo-riddled, but not all of it was totally sub-par, so I lack sufficient information to judge for myself.

Honestly looking at IOTs like Sone's Intera Universo which I would imagine had a more complicated ruleset than most NESes makes the point moot.

I would compare the origins of NES and IOT (I could be wrong about this analogy, so forgive my lack of knowledge of history) to something like Newton and Leibniz. They both (probably) followed a very different thought train, but reached similar conclusions. That's what I think of NES and IOT. We followed very different paths, but we seem to have come to similar conclusions.

So.. I've been reading this topic, and I have one question:

What the hell? What's wrong with you people? Did you eat something bad and now you can't behave properly? Cuz that seems the only explanation for most of the posts in this 11-paged thread. I can't believe most of the things said here.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

So.. I've been reading this topic, and I have one question:
What the hell? What's wrong with you people?

I think it was that dose of Red Kryptonite to turned me all wonky.

 

[Birdjaguar]

NESIOT: Narratives in Action

 

[Civ'ed]

Anybody who doesn't think age matters should compare a random sample of orders from players between 14 and 16 with a random sample of orders from players 18-22, and then 22+.

As a 16-year-old who continuously provides you with good orders, you wound me.

 

[Robert Can't]

As a 19 year old who consistently sends in bad orders I too am wounded

Edit: My gosh I'm going to be 20 in a couple of weeks, that's damned scary.

 

[Azale]

this whole merger thing, good or not, feels suspiciously like an EU treaty brought to popular referendum until it's voted on correctly.

EDIT: also a convenient way to hide how much nesing activity on cfc has nosedived because of events.

I have no problems with ioters though, they should all join my satanic off-site forum game.

 

[North King]

Right? How many times has this been voted on by now? Granted, by finally driving half the NES community away, it's certainly easy to skew the margin.