I think Damascus could be our "upgrade city". Well done berserks01. I think a conquest victory seems the most likely.
DMAW04 - A Testing War
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berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
I agree. Although, just shave the pikes and maces and leave the knights. The other stack I mentioned is mostly knights and cannons at this point.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
We got an engineer in Beijing early in my turnset ...
He is still there
Suggest rushing the ironworks ... somewhere.
We also got two stupid events
I hate these events.
After some fierce battles (a CG3 Longbow isn't that easy to get rid off), we captured Damascus.
I kept it as Ozzy suggested and the remaining trebs and cats are all upgraded. Made a stupid mistake of moving off a small stack to Egypt ... it may not be enough to take it.
Nevertheless, we still have to leave sufficient forces if we intend to keep Damascus under our control. Meanwhile suggest the next player ot move more knights to Alexandria while the cannons tear down the defence. Use the roads in the no-man land to the west of Damacus, may save us a turn of movement.
The second stack has moved off and razed Hanover.
These AIs are replacing the cities razed faster than we can raze them
The second stack is now outside German border ready to go in.
I think I made a mistake in the screenshot. The forces indicated in the above picture should not be the second stack outside German border, but the stack outside Alexandria.
On the home front, someone think it is a good idea to build mines outside of any cities' BFC. It is actually a waste of time, as these mines has no effect whatsoever (not even popping a metal, as resource pop will only occur in worked mines). So I get all the workers to the front lines chopping away forests and jungles. Someone also think adding unoccupied forts in open space is a good idea. Well, I disagree, and these forts were pillaged. They only serve to give protection to enemy if they are not occupied by us. Instead, the correct thing to do is to chop away forest surrounding our occupied forts. This will force approaching stack to be out in the open for us to attack.
Some red faces are appearing, due to our casualties. Time to apply the whip and get some banks running.
He is still there
Suggest rushing the ironworks ... somewhere.We also got two stupid events
I hate these events.
After some fierce battles (a CG3 Longbow isn't that easy to get rid off), we captured Damascus.
I kept it as Ozzy suggested and the remaining trebs and cats are all upgraded. Made a stupid mistake of moving off a small stack to Egypt ... it may not be enough to take it.
Nevertheless, we still have to leave sufficient forces if we intend to keep Damascus under our control. Meanwhile suggest the next player ot move more knights to Alexandria while the cannons tear down the defence. Use the roads in the no-man land to the west of Damacus, may save us a turn of movement.
The second stack has moved off and razed Hanover.
These AIs are replacing the cities razed faster than we can raze them
The second stack is now outside German border ready to go in.
I think I made a mistake in the screenshot. The forces indicated in the above picture should not be the second stack outside German border, but the stack outside Alexandria.
On the home front, someone think it is a good idea to build mines outside of any cities' BFC. It is actually a waste of time, as these mines has no effect whatsoever (not even popping a metal, as resource pop will only occur in worked mines). So I get all the workers to the front lines chopping away forests and jungles. Someone also think adding unoccupied forts in open space is a good idea. Well, I disagree, and these forts were pillaged. They only serve to give protection to enemy if they are not occupied by us. Instead, the correct thing to do is to chop away forest surrounding our occupied forts. This will force approaching stack to be out in the open for us to attack.
Some red faces are appearing, due to our casualties. Time to apply the whip and get some banks running.
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berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
That would be me. Really? I didn't know about that resource popping issue, although I seem to recall having resources popped on tiles outside my bfc before. I only remember because I always gripe about it when it happened
Nicely done. When Military Science is in we should look at getting our melee troops back to Damascus for upgrading.
Roster:
Ozbenno -
yena
berserks01 -
GreyFox - Just Played
Jamesds - UP
Conroe - On Deck
Roster:
Ozbenno -
yena
berserks01 -
GreyFox - Just Played
Jamesds - UP
Conroe - On Deck
OK, 24 hours are up! Conroe, are you able to take it?
Jamesds
Great Scientist
I'm sorry abuot the wait, I've got it now - it helps I've got this week off my Uni work 
. Since Conroe hasn't posted, I'll take this one for tonight/tomorrow morning.
. Since Conroe hasn't posted, I'll take this one for tonight/tomorrow morning.
Excellent, all yours Jamesds!
I like the idea of using our newest GE to rush the IronWorks. It'll only be a 50% bonus since we don't yet have coal. Any suggestions on where we should build it? I'd say either our capital or Beijing.We got an engineer in Beijing early in my turnset ...
He is still there
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
I suggest a city close to the war front to our troops can 
faster
faster
Jamesds
Great Scientist
OK, here goes 10 turns from Turns 390 - 400
So after ending the turn, I hurried the IronWorks in Beijing. This was a good city for several reasons:
+ Close to front lines
+ Lots of
to offset the unhealthiness from IW
+ Has lots of food to allow use of the 3 extra engineer specialists from IW
+ Has two Great Mil. Instructors, so perfect for building units with high initial XP
This turn (or the next, I forget which) I captured a German city just outside our borders, a couple squares east of Dortmund, which I think had the name Bremen.
Turn 392 left our economy in a slightly worse state than before, since Hattie has changed to Emancipation civic, and our citizens want it too....
Also, funnily enough, there seems to be less troops in Alexandria...maybe they are frightened? I don't blame them:
Then I got this tiny city next turn:
Turn 394 brought us this minor gift:
Then, after some positioning of troops and battering of walls, I take Dortmund next turn, getting a GG in the process:
This turn (395) Military Science was also discovered, and I have moved on to Paper in the hope of getting Printing Press for a great economy boost.
Turn 396 - Here's Memphis - should be easy enough next turn (why so little defense?!)
Turn 397 - Memphis is captured and razed:
Then I build a Military Academy in Beijing, just to make it an even more powerful military city.
It turned into this monster production city:
In the following turns I capture and raze a couple more cities
I used a small stack of CR2/3 Grenadiers to take this city:
And a few units from our 'German stack' to take this one:
Then a small stack to take this German city:
Paper was discovered in turn 399, and research on the Printing Press was begun.
So, here's the situation on the Egyptian front, with Thebes being the next target:
Now the situation on the German front, and I think that these could be their final two cities!
The scores:
On a negative note, our economy isn't doing so good. We are living on the gold pillaged from the cities we capture, and this should be a good source of income for many turns to come (expecially with some of the big cities that are going to go in the next few turns). We do need some banks/apothecaries, and some cities have started on these and could be whipped when the next player feels it is right. Our net income is -53 gold/turn. Emancipation is responsible for this, as is the increasing war weariness.
On a much more positive note, we are not far from a conquest victory, and I think that if we don't do anything stupid (which won't happen with any of us
) then victory is imminent.
From the demographics, I can make an estimate of how far we have to go.
Land Area
Us: 284k
Best: 107k (Saladin, 13% of total land area)
Average: 76k
Worst: 44k (Germans I think)
Which means the civs have the following amount of land:
Saladin: 107 squares
Hattie: 77 (+/- 1) squares
Bismark: 44 squares
OK - take it from there!
So after ending the turn, I hurried the IronWorks in Beijing. This was a good city for several reasons:
+ Close to front lines
+ Lots of
to offset the unhealthiness from IW+ Has lots of food to allow use of the 3 extra engineer specialists from IW
+ Has two Great Mil. Instructors, so perfect for building units with high initial XP
This turn (or the next, I forget which
) I captured a German city just outside our borders, a couple squares east of Dortmund, which I think had the name Bremen.Turn 392 left our economy in a slightly worse state than before, since Hattie has changed to Emancipation civic, and our citizens want it too....
Also, funnily enough, there seems to be less troops in Alexandria...maybe they are frightened? I don't blame them:
Then I got this tiny city next turn:
Turn 394 brought us this minor gift:
Then, after some positioning of troops and battering of walls, I take Dortmund next turn, getting a GG in the process:
This turn (395) Military Science was also discovered, and I have moved on to Paper in the hope of getting Printing Press for a great economy boost.
Turn 396 - Here's Memphis - should be easy enough next turn (why so little defense?!)
Turn 397 - Memphis is captured and razed:
Then I build a Military Academy in Beijing, just to make it an even more powerful military city.
It turned into this monster production city:
In the following turns I capture and raze a couple more cities
I used a small stack of CR2/3 Grenadiers to take this city:
And a few units from our 'German stack' to take this one:
Then a small stack to take this German city:
Paper was discovered in turn 399, and research on the Printing Press was begun.
So, here's the situation on the Egyptian front, with Thebes being the next target:
Now the situation on the German front, and I think that these could be their final two cities!
The scores:
On a negative note, our economy isn't doing so good. We are living on the gold pillaged from the cities we capture, and this should be a good source of income for many turns to come (expecially with some of the big cities that are going to go in the next few turns). We do need some banks/apothecaries, and some cities have started on these and could be whipped when the next player feels it is right. Our net income is -53 gold/turn. Emancipation is responsible for this, as is the increasing war weariness.
On a much more positive note, we are not far from a conquest victory, and I think that if we don't do anything stupid (which won't happen with any of us
) then victory is imminent. From the demographics, I can make an estimate of how far we have to go.
Land Area
Us: 284k
Best: 107k (Saladin, 13% of total land area)
Average: 76k
Worst: 44k (Germans I think)
Which means the civs have the following amount of land:
Saladin: 107 squares
Hattie: 77 (+/- 1) squares
Bismark: 44 squares
OK - take it from there!
Looks like I'm up. Excellent there, James!
Of course, I did talk Oz out of building that wonder that grants 2 happy faces in every city. 
there, James!I wouldn't be so sure. I'm usually good for 1 or 2 weedy moves every game. And I think I might be overdue in this game.and I think that if we don't do anything stupid (which won't happen with any of us
Of course, I did talk Oz out of building that wonder that grants 2 happy faces in every city.
Well done Jamesds. A nice lot of razing there.
It does look like we've got this one won but you never know...
It does look like we've got this one won but you never know...
Jamesds
Great Scientist
Looks like I'm up. Excellent
I wouldn't be so sure. I'm usually good for 1 or 2 weedy moves every game. And I think I might be overdue in this game.
Thanks Conroe - I know what you mean, I'm only a Noble player myself, although I'm possibly moving up a level to Prince. However, we've all been doing good turnsets. I actually didn't think this was possible to win until recently. I'm a more cautious player, and a builder, so this all out war is a little out of my realm (that's probably a similar case for some of you).
Thanks Ozbenno, and yes, you never know! However, even just looking at our soldiers and power graphs convinces me that we should have the victory here. If I remember right, we have approx 700k soldiers, whilst the civ with the largest number of soldiers has around 300-400k. Overall, I think the total power of rival civs is equal to our own power, which is a vast improvement to what it was earlier in the game, where we had to fight to get an edge.
So, let's be encouraged by that fact whilst still keeping that edge, and constantly increasing it until victory is imminent. Let's keep the pressure on the AI - don't ease up the pressure!
After the original panic of Charlie being so close and possibly starting with a warrior, I knew this was a very winnable game, especially after we dusted 3 AIs so quickly. Doesn't mean we were going to win, just that we had put ourselves into a winning position.
Wow, the previous reports weren't kidding about the war weariness being bad. 
We've got 6 angry citizens in our capital. All but 2 of our cities are starving.
My first thought was to revolt to police state for the 50% reduction in war weariness. But then I noticed that we don't yet have the culture slider. We've yet to research Drama. I also note that we have accumulated the most war weariness with Saladin. Bismark is giving us the least number of angry citizens. But since he is down to his last 2 cities, that weariness will go away once he is eliminated.
By far, though, the greatest amount of war weariness is undoubtedly coming from Egypt. They have built the Statue of Zeus in Thebes. Fortunately, James has left a considerable stack just outside of the gates of the Egyptian capital. Our own cities should be looking much better once that city is razed.
Thus I have formed my gameplan. Raze the SoZ city of Thebes and eliminate the Germans! We start losing population in 4 turns. So that is how long I have to do it in. I also decide to switch our research. While I firmly believe that Printing Press is a good tech for us, I think we have more critical techs to research first. I switch us to Aesthetics and Drama.
I also noticed that we were building a lot of Banks, Markets, and Grocers. Only 1 city was building troops.
Quite odd for an AW game, if you ask me. Anyways, I pulled out my trusty 
and cracked it a few times. It never ceases to amaze me that slavery eases the war weariness, as well.
The last thing that I did before pressing Enter was to fire some of our excess Workers. I brought us down to a more reasonable number of 10 Workers. And then on to battle!
Up first was the German city of Köln ...
followed the Egyptian city of Thebes ...
And with the destruction of the Statue of Zeus, my theory on war weariness is proven to be wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong! We lost a grand total of 1 angry face after I razed Thebes.
But fortunately, Drama and the culture slider were soon to be available to us.
Bismark's capital was the next city to be razed ...
And since the Germans were still in the game, this meant that Bismark had at least one more city. So much for plan A! At this point, though, Drama came in and I bumped the culture slider up to 10%. I also queued up Theatres in many of our cities. Salvation was finally at hand!
My efforts to prevent the population from starving in our capital turned out to be futile. A slave revolt cost us the population anyway. After the revolt was over, I sent 2 more citizens to their graves by whipping a Theatre. The city was out of food and was going to lose more population anyway.
After Drama completed, I set research back to Printing Press. However, I also turned research completely off to begin accumulating cash for the Grenadier upgrades.
And then it was back to the war ... this time in Arabia. The city of Mansura, built upon a hill, was defended by a pair of CG3 Longbowmen. Ouch. We lost some good troops taking the city, including a CR3 Grenadier.
Next up was the German city of Frankfurt ...
Which turned out to be Bismark's last city. The Germans were no more ...
Unfortunately, Bismark did not take much war weariness with him. The culture slider and the Theatres, though, are working well. But those citizens that refuse to be entertained are savagely whipped!
The Egyptian city of Heliopolis was razed next. As this city was on the far end of the map, this stack would see no more battle during my set. They are still marching back towards civilization ...
Despite the name, Hamburg is an Arabian city. Or was ... I razed it ...
Immediately followed by another Arab city: Khurasan.
And with that, my last turnset in this game comes to an end. This game is over. We have won. We just don't know what year, yet. I'm guessing there are maybe a half dozen cities remaining between the Egyptians and the Arabs. It'll probably take about 10 or 15 turns to finish them off, simply because they are spread out over the map.
I built a couple of Spies during my set. The first one was caught just as she crossed the Arabian border. The other was a bit more useful, but not by much. Overall, a waste of hammers.
Since our forces cut a path through the middle of the map, there are a bunch of barbarians running around in the dark. A lot of them seem to head towards Damascus. We saw no action whatsoever on the borders of our core cities.
I still have research turned off and have accumulated about 1600 gold for upgrades. I didn't do any upgrades, because frankly I wasn't paying enough attention. There is a small stack of troops in Damascus with movement that can be upgraded immediately. Frankly, though, we really don't need the upgrades. Once the Cannons get done with the city defenders, it doesn't take much to take a city.
We've got 6 angry citizens in our capital. All but 2 of our cities are starving.
My first thought was to revolt to police state for the 50% reduction in war weariness. But then I noticed that we don't yet have the culture slider.
We've yet to research Drama. I also note that we have accumulated the most war weariness with Saladin. Bismark is giving us the least number of angry citizens. But since he is down to his last 2 cities, that weariness will go away once he is eliminated.
By far, though, the greatest amount of war weariness is undoubtedly coming from Egypt. They have built the Statue of Zeus in Thebes. Fortunately, James has left a considerable stack just outside of the gates of the Egyptian capital. Our own cities should be looking much better once that city is razed.
Thus I have formed my gameplan. Raze the SoZ city of Thebes and eliminate the Germans! We start losing population in 4 turns. So that is how long I have to do it in. I also decide to switch our research. While I firmly believe that Printing Press is a good tech for us, I think we have more critical techs to research first. I switch us to Aesthetics and Drama.
I also noticed that we were building a lot of Banks, Markets, and Grocers. Only 1 city was building troops.
Quite odd for an AW game, if you ask me. Anyways, I pulled out my trusty and cracked it a few times. It never ceases to amaze me that slavery eases the war weariness, as well.The last thing that I did before pressing Enter was to fire some of our excess Workers. I brought us down to a more reasonable number of 10 Workers. And then on to battle!
Up first was the German city of Köln ...
followed the Egyptian city of Thebes ...
And with the destruction of the Statue of Zeus, my theory on war weariness is proven to be wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong! We lost a grand total of 1 angry face after I razed Thebes.
But fortunately, Drama and the culture slider were soon to be available to us.Bismark's capital was the next city to be razed ...
And since the Germans were still in the game, this meant that Bismark had at least one more city. So much for plan A! At this point, though, Drama came in and I bumped the culture slider up to 10%. I also queued up Theatres in many of our cities. Salvation was finally at hand!
My efforts to prevent the population from starving in our capital turned out to be futile. A slave revolt cost us the population anyway. After the revolt was over, I sent 2 more citizens to their graves by whipping a Theatre. The city was out of food and was going to lose more population anyway.
After Drama completed, I set research back to Printing Press. However, I also turned research completely off to begin accumulating cash for the Grenadier upgrades.
And then it was back to the war ... this time in Arabia. The city of Mansura, built upon a hill, was defended by a pair of CG3 Longbowmen. Ouch. We lost some good troops taking the city, including a CR3 Grenadier.
Next up was the German city of Frankfurt ...
Which turned out to be Bismark's last city. The Germans were no more ...
Unfortunately, Bismark did not take much war weariness with him. The culture slider and the Theatres, though, are working well. But those citizens that refuse to be entertained are savagely whipped!
The Egyptian city of Heliopolis was razed next. As this city was on the far end of the map, this stack would see no more battle during my set. They are still marching back towards civilization ...
Despite the name, Hamburg is an Arabian city. Or was ... I razed it ...
Immediately followed by another Arab city: Khurasan.
And with that, my last turnset in this game comes to an end. This game is over. We have won. We just don't know what year, yet. I'm guessing there are maybe a half dozen cities remaining between the Egyptians and the Arabs. It'll probably take about 10 or 15 turns to finish them off, simply because they are spread out over the map.
I built a couple of Spies during my set. The first one was caught just as she crossed the Arabian border.
The other was a bit more useful, but not by much. Overall, a waste of hammers.Since our forces cut a path through the middle of the map, there are a bunch of barbarians running around in the dark. A lot of them seem to head towards Damascus. We saw no action whatsoever on the borders of our core cities.
I still have research turned off and have accumulated about 1600 gold for upgrades. I didn't do any upgrades, because frankly I wasn't paying enough attention. There is a small stack of troops in Damascus with movement that can be upgraded immediately. Frankly, though, we really don't need the upgrades. Once the Cannons get done with the city defenders, it doesn't take much to take a city.
Agreed. I was also feeling pretty good about this one after the first 3 civs were taken out.
I started getting nervous, though, when we spent so much time defending our borders. Its hard to win a war when you are on the defensive. I think this map helped us out tremendously, though. We had a fairly narrow choke point to defend, rather than a long border. I think this game could have easily gone the other way if weren't for that. That pause allowed us to recover our economy and then tech ahead of the AI. And by that time, they'd run out of gas slamming into our fortified stacks.
Jamesds
Great Scientist
Excellent turnset Conroe, we are certain of a win now . Your moves to rescue our declining economy are great.
So, who's going to make the winning move? I can see it happening during the 2nd/3rd turnset from now.
. Your moves to rescue our declining economy are great.So, who's going to make the winning move? I can see it happening during the 2nd/3rd turnset from now.
I played lots of AW in Civ3, and those games usually followed a similar pattern; early expansion followed by a period of defensive warware which lasted until the AIs have destroyed their early advantage by suiciding their armies, and I have had enough time to build a big stack with (by now) heavily promoted troops. Then it's razing time. It seems that the strategy works in CIV too.
Excellent work Conroe. It seems it is me who is UP. Will play tonight.
