DMI VII - Team Warlords

pigswill · Feb 1, 2008

Got It.

had a look. KK has DPs with Lou and Honey. I'm not sure we can rely on him to break DPs unless he sees an overwhelming benefit in helping us take out George.

Maybe research physics/arty asap. Declare on George but don't invade and let him move his stacks into our territory. If we can wipe out masses of his units without incurring major WW at the start it should help out when we start the actual invasion.

I won't be playing tonight.

Thoughts are always welcome.

shyuhe · Feb 1, 2008

KK has a DP but he's willing to declare war. George is not redded out on his diplo screen. We just need something enticing to offer him (gold?). I would declare and bribe KK. If KK bites, invade since Goerge's stack is to the east of his country and will head east to deal with KK first.

pigswill · Feb 2, 2008

Still playing. Interim update:
1850 Declare on Washington.
IBT Washington declares on Kublai Khan :lol:

Louis declares on Washington :goodjob:

·Imhotep· · Feb 2, 2008

Finally SOME luck in this game

Compromise · Feb 2, 2008

I still hate Louis.

Too bad there's no way to cancel OB with him so that his troops are trapped in a hopeless situation. :devil:

Looking forward to the report; thanks for the interim update!

shyuhe · Feb 2, 2008

PA is on. If we war with Washington for long enough with Louis, we may be able to enter a PA with him (we don't have many negative modifiers against him).

pigswill · Feb 3, 2008

If its 1850 it must be time to declare on George.

He doesn't seem to be taking us seriously and declares on Khan. Louis declares on George.

Withdraw cossacks as a little stack to counter possible amphibious invasions.

George's destroyers wander around pillaging nets at will. We ain't got nothing to stop them.

1852. Research 70%, physics in 3. Capture Seattle.

1856. George captures Tabriz and San Francisco.

1858. Physics>Artillery in 5. Louis builds Broadway.

1860. Khan retakes Tabriz. We take New York.

1862. Khan wants proof of our friendship:

Of course, we wouldn't want to upset little Kuby (cancel in 10).

1866.Artillery>Combustion, Research 0%. Khan vassalises to Honey who declares on George.

1870. Complete Heroic Epic in Yekatsinburg. Get GG in Vandal. Capture Washington.

George don't have many friends:

Aw, poor George :sad:

We're slowly catching up:

But still well behind on techs. Even George has tanks (and seals).

·Imhotep· · Feb 3, 2008

Very well. Got it, will play tomorrow morning.

pigswill · Feb 3, 2008

Our units are getting pretty beaten up and dispersed. I'm wondering about peace with George, teching a bit then declare on Louis.

·Imhotep· · Feb 3, 2008

@pigswill:

I just saw it when I had a brief glance at the save. Washington is likely to recapture the cities with what he has at the front. Huayna is sending huge stacks but they are some turns away from the front yet. washington will take piece for 160 gold and his map. It may be wise to take the deal, go full research and redeclare once he got beaten up by HC and Louis.

I wonder if declaring on Louis is the way to go. He is much more powerful then us. I'd rather turn him into an ally via PA. We are already at +7, further improving with the civic (good move btw with adopting HR) and the war efforts. We may be able to do this.

Opinions ?

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2008

Cease fire my friends

He won't re-declare since he'll be preoccupied so we can choose our time to attack him again (preferably behind HC's stack). Plus we won't have a 10 turn constraint. I agree that Louis will make a better PA buddy at this point.

Compromise · Feb 3, 2008

I agree with what shyuhe has written: Get some peace and try to make Louis or PAl. I have just about zero experience with PAs, so I'm curious to see how that plays out.

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2008

@Compromise - ceasefire, not peace. I think we'll want the convenience of being able to dow at any time. Or will it take more than 10 turns for HC's stack to reach American borders? I think it takes about 4-5 turns to cross our country so I don't think we want to take peace (or we may lose the opportunity to take cities).

To get a PA, we either need 40 turns of a DP or some turns of mutual struggle (not sure - 40?). I think mutual struggle will be easier at this point.

Compromise · Feb 3, 2008

Thanks for the ceasefire/peace correction.

For a PA, do the mutual struggle turns need to be continuous?

·Imhotep· · Feb 3, 2008

As the PA expert

I may say this:

- The mutual struggle turns don't need to be continuous
- It's 20 turns of mutual struggle IIRC
- Louis must be friendly with us
- We're lucky he's not Napoleon (PA not possible with him in Warlords)
- PAs are dependant from more than one factor (including power, diplo points, AI decisions on winning condition)

It will require hard work, but for the time being we can't do anything else than building up and buddying up anyway, so no hurt...

Imhotep

Compromise · Feb 3, 2008

·Imhotep·;6447271 said:
As the PA expert I may say this:

- The mutual struggle turns don't need to be continuous
- It's 20 turns of mutual struggle IIRC
- Louis must be friendly with us
- We're lucky he's not Napoleon (PA not possible with him in Warlords)
- PAs are dependant from more than one factor (including power, diplo points, AI decisions on winning condition)

It will require hard work, but for the time being we can't do anything else than building up and buddying up anyway, so no hurt...

Imhotep

Ah good, an expert!

Re. the factors you list. I'm sure I understand how the diplo points affect the AI's decision. But what about power? If we are more powerful, is that good?

shyuhe · Feb 3, 2008

It just occurred to me that we may have difficulty forming a PA because of Izzy... She must also meet the conditions of the PA with Louis. However I think she has better diplo relations with him so as long as she stays in free religion she shouldn't be a hinderance.

·Imhotep· · Feb 3, 2008

@shyuhe:

Vassals don't affect PAs normally, at least that's my experience (tested with WorldBuilder on many occasions).

@Compromise:

It's a little more complex. The PA partner should not be the most powerful Civ, neither should we. In this game this may work perfectly as Huayna is the big dog - by far. I will tailor my play towards the goal of getting a PA with Louis...

Normally I'm able to get a PA in half of my SP games, so we'll see...

Imhotep

·Imhotep· · Feb 4, 2008

The set went good, as far as it goes. We're in the right direction and make good progress. If we can win this is still in doubt, but I believe that we can still pull it off.

In order to make Louis our buddy we need every modifier we can get. So I revolt to Theocracy and Hinduism. 2 turns of Anarchy surely hurt, but we don't have time to lose.

I then negotiate cease fire with Washington. The poor guy accepts as he knows what's coming for him. HC sends some more HUGE stacks...

In consequence of us reverting to Hinduism Izzy cancels the Vassal deal. She is now only pleasded with us. No loss and good riddance I'd say !

I found a GG hanging around. I send him to our HE and soon-to-be West Point city of Yekaterinburg to instruct the recruits.

I had monitored the power graph closely since we made temporary peace. Washy dropped quickly as expected - time to go forward !

I'm sorry for you, but you are the punching ball anyway...

As our troops advance they are nicely shielded by HC's stacks...

I trade with Louis. Every little deal helps !

However the year 1880 is not to my liking. Louis is building SS parts. I'm afraid of it not because of the danger of launching but for him refusing a PA due to this...

HC has nicely prepared Boston for our troops. We face no real enemy there.

Our Artys do the trick on their own...

...and of course we get the city. Thanks, HC !

I send a spare spices to Louis. I want every modifier I can get...

Washy vassalizes to HC, no wonder with all those stacks wandering around. HC is now master of KK and Washy. On another note my work bears first fruits: Louis is up to friendly and willing to form a DP !

Still he doesn't want a PA, and maybe he'll never want to. We'll see.

We're still behind in tech, but we are catching up. Industrialism comes in next turn, after that we should head for Rocketry. We can still outrace the AI to the stars even without Louis, given our Empire size and our production.

I played 17 turns to bring us to a round number again and hand off a clean game. I've marked N.Y. for Wall Street as its commerce is greater than any of our home cities.

Imhotep

Spoiler The Log :

pigswill · Feb 4, 2008

Looking good for Star Trek.

If Izzy is no longer our vassal (and hasn't vassalised to Honey Monster) then she has a couple of cities in the middle of our territory....

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