GenMarshall
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Or a pilot on an International Airliner. The list is numorus on non-military jobs that will take you to see the world and I cant think of all of them from my headA'AbarachAmadan said:
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Does NOT joining the Armed forces make you a coward?
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Abra has a decent point here.
To Blood, remember that ignorance gets you nowhere.
To blood's brother, does he actually believe in his statement? If he does, he must remember that all his stuff, clothes, guns and food; are made by the same cowards he mentions.
To Blood, remember that ignorance gets you nowhere.
To blood's brother, does he actually believe in his statement? If he does, he must remember that all his stuff, clothes, guns and food; are made by the same cowards he mentions.
dogeing the draft??? the draft is nothing but a form of slavery!!! am i the only one to bealve the draft is unconstituonal??*sp* deserting once in.. yea, Unles ur asked to do a unjust war, iraq, being one... makes any deserters not coweredsSpecialist290 said:
Specialist290
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In counterpoint, I must paraphrase a line from a famous poem: It's not a soldier's job to question why, only to do and, if necessary, die.
To an extent, though, I must agree: in a perfect world, neither wars nor the draft would be necessary. However, heeding the draft call is just as much a part of war as paying taxes is a part of peace. Fortunately, things have not escalated to that point at this time.
And how, might I ask, is the draft a form of slavery?
To an extent, though, I must agree: in a perfect world, neither wars nor the draft would be necessary. However, heeding the draft call is just as much a part of war as paying taxes is a part of peace. Fortunately, things have not escalated to that point at this time.
And how, might I ask, is the draft a form of slavery?
Harbringer
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what you mean you dont want to stay hear with oru brilliant president? 
edit:deserting is bad, you made a commitment to your service and you even took an oath saying you would serve your country. You should never desert. Besides, we had a guy who tried to go AWAL, we beat the crap out of him because if one guy tries to leave your whole unit has to pay.
edit:deserting is bad, you made a commitment to your service and you even took an oath saying you would serve your country. You should never desert. Besides, we had a guy who tried to go AWAL, we beat the crap out of him because if one guy tries to leave your whole unit has to pay.
Romanfe
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Really? What kind of punishments?Back In Black said:
Harbringer
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It had happened previuosly which is why we were so pissed,
They wouldnt let us sleep(not like we were anyway), extra work, more running, . We had to force march 15k, drilled like mad, our superiors treated us with "general dislike" if you will.The wrost part was we had to stand out in the hot sun in full uniform for 3 hours, a guy fell asleep standing up and we had to start all over. We didnt do anything to him though.
They wouldnt let us sleep(not like we were anyway), extra work, more running, . We had to force march 15k, drilled like mad, our superiors treated us with "general dislike" if you will.The wrost part was we had to stand out in the hot sun in full uniform for 3 hours, a guy fell asleep standing up and we had to start all over. We didnt do anything to him though.
Take a choice:
1. Sit on your rump and act like a hard-ass rebel declaring the draft is unconstitutional.
The govt. does not enact the draft unless it is direly needed, so the exuse of you don't agree with the war fails in most situations.
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Simply comply with the draft and know you've protected your country.
1. Sit on your rump and act like a hard-ass rebel declaring the draft is unconstitutional.
The govt. does not enact the draft unless it is direly needed, so the exuse of you don't agree with the war fails in most situations.
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Simply comply with the draft and know you've protected your country.
Romanfe
Punch out
Yeah, maybe it was just political dodging but I saw on CNN this one general (Meyers maybe?) said something like 1.5 million troops have cycled in and out of Iraq, then said something about the casualties being quite low.
Harbringer
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ok to sum things up, im pretty dure we can all agree that not joining tha armed forces doesnt make you a coward.
You do realise there are other jobs to do? No one is sitting on their rump.Atlas14 said:
So countries have only ever introduced a draft when they needed to defend against invasion of their country? I don't think so.
Did you forget all the people against the Vietnam War, for example?
OrpheusPrime
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Draft dodging is essentially saying "no I won't fight for my country" which makes you a coward in the eyes of those who are willing to go along and fight. Its that simple. You don't have to argue the morality of the draft or why or when it should be used. Its as simple as that.
Im exaggerating, but yeah, many would sit on their rumps complaining while others are fighting. DOn't be naiive.
Others would disagree. Just because you oppose a war does not mean the war is not justified.
Did I say exclusevely to defend against invasion? No. AMerican freedom and other countries' freedom and liberties were at stake, thus our govt. made the choice to deem the draft necessary. Usually the govt. knows a heck of a lot more of what is going on than you do. They learn about situations developing throughout the world a heck of a lot sooner than we do. This is hardly about the Vietnam War, except the draft so lets stay on topic. I trust the govt. to make a wise decision when the draft is needed.
GenMarshall
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I can certanly sympathize with that recruit since apperently the Drill Sgt (or instructor. Depending if he is in the Marines) did not take into account that the person needs sleep and if you force him to stay awake, sleep debt will take it's toll on him.Back In Black said:
What about the drafties who were called to draft but never had their number called? This happened to my step-father in the 1960s-70s. I would not call them draftdogers and cowards, just lucky that they did not have their number called.OrpheusPrime said:
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It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?
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Cu Chulainn said:
And I always thought it was the other way around. I have plenty to live for. Being will to die for something is a huge step to me.
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dying for something is easy, it frees you of all responsiblity to it. Living for something is hard work.
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bloodofages said:
Tell your brother that you can have whatever career you wish.
Shooting a gun is not the only way to help your country.
He chose his path, you have your own path in life.
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Well, it might do in the eyes of those who fight, but that doesn't mean it's true. If someone working in a job requiring good mental abilities said that anyone who doesn't do their job is an idiot, that doesn't make it true, and most people would view that person as arrogant.OrpheusPrime said:
Of course when the draft should be used is relevant - if people oppose the war, then it follows that there is another reason for not fighting than being a coward.
It takes bravery to be a suicide bomber. Does it follow therefore that those who aren't suicide bombers are cowards? Obviously not - it's clear that most people would strongly disagree with being one.
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