Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[GenMarshall]

I think it made perfect sense to keep America out of the war. But the sanctions on Japan did the trick...

The sanctions (IIRC, Oil embargo) were placed on the Empire of Japan to curb their expansionist policies in China and East Asia and tensions rose after the Empire of Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931. Less not forget, at the time, the Philippines were an American protectorate since the Spanish-American War, were a target to the Japanese Empire. You may want to learn more, you'll realize it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows in the innerwar period.

...and will eventually get us in WW3 as well,...

There's only two or three major super powers and all of them have nuclear weapons. The US, China, and Russia aren't going to blow the entire planet up over a regional conflict and there's no complicated web of alliances seen in the prelude to World War I. At most you're just going to see are the superpowers just going to use the confict as a proxy war.

...unless we develop some common sense and elect a peacemaker rather than a random DEI hire last minute replacement candidate that is offering the country an opportunity to be nuked for meddling economy, which means something but has nothing to do with the unfolding conflict.

Ok, I'm going to put this to bed. Kamala is not a random DEI hire. She was picked by Joe Biden to be his running mate. Guess what, contrary to many Trumpists believe, both won the election, legitamately. Biden gave his blessing to allow Kamala to be the nominee for the presidential election.

Clearly Trump's policies are in the best interest of the country if you think it is in the best interest of the people for us to avoid the war, especially the nuclear part.

In what way are Trump's policies are in the best interest of the country? Trump is the most likely person I'd see tossing a nuke at someone who'd make fun of his hair.

 

[Angst]

What is tripping you up there is that you have been fed edited Vance statements that have been presented out of context by the conspiring mainstream media. If you had been following Vance carefully you would have seen this and noted that it is much like the hatchet job they have always done on Trump. They're all a cabal of liars.

if i'm source checking, i tend to default away from people that rant about goats.
you are completely unhinged here.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Vance and Walz were pretty nice to each other overall during the debate, repeatedly stating that they agreed about things. It was a pretty mellow affair for the most part.

 

[Snowygerry]

Vance did his utmost to be as unlike Trump as possible, good strategy imho.

Especially in view of future campaigns…

 

[Narz]

"Damning non-answer" and "why Mike Pence isn't here" means that Walz got the mic drop.

Yeah that was a good one. Vance knows Trump would have him killed as well for his own benefit and Vance likely feels the same way.

No love, no loyalty, he's probably hoping Trump wins and kicks the bucket

Vance did his utmost to be as unlike Trump as possible, good strategy imho.

Especially in view of future campaigns…

Yeah exactly, he's playing the long game, it's gross tho

 

[Cutlass]

I guess the truth is in the grave, the rumor that my German grandfather was beaten up for his German leanings the night he died of a heart attack. It could have happened but probably not, 1940. Everyone involved would have been workers in the textile mill. Not likely in a small town, right? Basically, at that time there was no interest in fighting the Germans.



I doubt that my grandfather could have suffered a fatal beating in 1940 even if he had as big a mouth as his grandson. After Pearl Harbor it might have been different.

I think it made perfect sense to keep America out of the war. But the sanctions on Japan did the trick and will eventually get us in WW3 as well, unless we develop some common sense and elect a peacemaker rather than a random DEI hire last minute replacement candidate that is offering the country an opportunity to be nuked for meddling economy, which means something but has nothing to do with the unfolding conflict. Clearly Trump's policies are in the best interest of the country if you think it is in the best interest of the people for us to avoid the war, especially the nuclear part.

So, is the timing of this strike part of the Democratic plan? Is this the October surprise? How does this play out? Trump should let everyone know that this strike would have never happened if he were in the White House.

Appeasement and treason, which is what "America First" was then, and it is the intent of Trump now as well, plays very badly once our enemies take it as the permission it is to attack America and our interests.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Vance did his utmost to be as unlike Trump as possible, good strategy imho.

This strikes me as the one possible way that Vance made a bigger contribution to Trump than Walz did to Harris.

Vance talked as though there were reasonable (boring, policy-wonk) grounds for all of his ticket's positions. If voters now credit Trump with those reasonable grounds for the positions he takes, rather than his actual grounds of grievance-du-jour (and say to themselves that Trump just doesn't want to get into them because he's a big-picture guy, but Vance shows that they're there), then he will have normalized Trump, and that's a big contribution.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

Will the vice presidential debate change things? Vance might have more debate experience than Walz.

Unlikely... on both counts.

I have always believed that Vance would win the debate. One of the problems is that Walz didn't lose badly enough.

 

[Core Imposter]

I'm currently watching an archive footage of the stream (The debate started about an hour before my shift ended). I don't know where you're getting the idea that Vance has been edited when it's a live debate.

What I was saying is, that all of the clips being shown on the Democratic media of Vance before the debate as edited to make him seem like a moron. But you knew that already.

 

[caketastydelish]

i still think trump will win, but by all measures, harris has a real chance.

I can't remember the persons name off the top of my head, but there is an american univeristy professor that has nearly 100 percent of the time correctly predicted the outcome of every us presdietnail election since the 1980s. He is an expert in political science and has 13 keys IIRC to determine which candidate will win, and according to him Harris is going to win. So someone that nearly always has correctly predicted who will be the president says Harris is going to win. Based off of that I would say she should be considered the favorite. I don't particularly like her but ANYONE besides Trump so I am voting for her to keep Trump out of office. Why anyone would want a second Trump administration is something I honestly can't understand.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I have always believed that Vance would win the debate. One of the problems is that Walz didn't lose badly enough.

I was wrong about them having roughly the same amount of debate experience BTW. That was my gut instinct, but I learned earlier last week that Vance was more experienced than Walz at debating. Overall, I still think the debate was a bit of a wash and they were both pretty civil to each other.

It was actually refreshing to see a debate that didn't turn into a trainwreck, like what is so common with these POTUS/VP debates the last few cycles. There was the one moment where Vance was interrupting and trying to talk over the moderators, but they just cut his mic, told him that his mic had been cut and that was the end of it.

I think both Walz and Vance probably came off to viewers as more likeable than before, if they had not seen/heard much about them before the debate.

 

[KaibaCorp]

What I was saying is, that all of the clips being shown on the Democratic media of Vance before the debate as edited to make him seem like a moron. But you knew that already.

link some.

 

[Core Imposter]

link some.

every single thing you have seen of him coming from Democrat associated media. ABC, CBC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and the hundreds of others ... it's all one gigantic propaganda show

 

[KaibaCorp]

every single thing you have seen of him coming from Democrat associated media. ABC, CBC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and the hundreds of others ... it's all one gigantic propaganda show

should be easy to link just one then

 

[Gori the Grey]

I can't remember the persons name off the top of my head, but there is an american univeristy professor that has nearly 100 percent of the time correctly predicted the outcome of every us presdietnail election since the 1980s.

Allan Lichtman. 9/10. Picks Harris in this one, as you say.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Trump backs out of "60 Minutes" interview after appearing confused at Wisconsin rally​

Former President Donald Trump backed out of an interview with "60 Minutes," bucking a decades-long tradition for presidential candidates appearing on the program, CBS announced Tuesday.The news station said both Vice President Kamala Harris and Trump had previously agreed to appear on the special, airing Oct. 7 special. “After initially accepting 60 Minutes' request for an interview with Scott Pelley, former President Trump's campaign has decided not to participate. Pelley will address this Monday evening. Our election special will broadcast the Harris interview on Monday as planned,” the network said in a statement.

"Where's my apology? They should apologize. They were wrong on everything. So I'd like to get an apology,” Trump said at a press conference in Milwaukee on Tuesday in which he repeatedly fumbled his words and showed signs of cognitive decline. The 78-year-old first confused the leaders of North Korea and Iran, and then suggested that 34 soldiers who suffered traumatic brain injuries from an Iranian attack during his presidency were merely experiencing "headaches." In a post on X, Sen. Brian Shatz, D-Hawaii, said Trump's confused speech in Milwaukee, along with his withdrawal from "60 Minutes," is enough to wonder "if there's actually something going on."

https://www.salon.com/2024/10/02/ba...ng-confused-at-wisconsin-rally/?in_brief=true

Walz reffered to Trump in the debate as "Nearly 80 years old", which is accurate... Trump's mind is getting mushier and mushier by the day. As others have mentioned, maybe that is Vance's angle... get into office as VP with the hopes of taking over once Trump's mind completely fails.

Obviously Vance has not genuinely gone from hating Trump and thinking he is, as Vance himself said, quote, "America's Hitler", to all of a sudden loving Trump and believing in him. Vance is obviously disingenuously and opportunistically kissing up to Trump and riding Trump's coattails for personal gain. So maybe Vance's real plan is to get into office and then invoke the 25th Amendment to usurp Trump?

 

[Narz]

As others have mentioned, maybe that is Vance's angle... get into office as VP with the hopes of taking over once Trump's mind completely fails.

Obviously Vance has not genuinely gone from hating Trump and thinking he is, as Vance himself said, quote, "America's Hitler", to all of a sudden loving Trump and believing in him. Vance is obviously disingenuously and opportunistically kissing up to Trump and riding Trump's coattails for personal gain. So maybe Vance's real plan is to get into office and then invoke the 25th Amendment to usurp Trump?

He'll do what he can. There's going to be huge power vacuum eventually.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Or Vance plans on running everything behind the scenes while Trump babbles about whatever...

 

[EnglishEdward]

And play the loyal deputy with a view to winning POTUS in 2028.

 

[GenMarshall]

What I was saying is, that all of the clips being shown on the Democratic media of Vance before the debate as edited to make him seem like a moron.

every single thing you have seen of him coming from Democrat associated media. ABC, CBC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN and the hundreds of others ... it's all one gigantic propaganda show

How? How in the world can the “clips” be edited on a debate that’s been aired live? Please explain and show proof that a live debate has been edited. Right now I’m just seeing unhinged conspiracy nonsense.

But you knew that already.

Dude, I’ve abandoned and tossed away that conspiracy theory months ago.