Fascists Riot in Virginia

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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — A month after a Ku Klux Klan rally here ended with the police using tear gas on protesters, Charlottesville is bracing for a weekend of white nationalist demonstrations and counterprotests, and suddenly this tranquil college town feels like a city under siege.

Thousands of people — many from out of town — are expected to descend on the city to either protest or participate in a “Unite the Right” rally on Saturday convened by white nationalists who oppose a plan to remove a statue of Robert E. Lee, the Confederate general, from a city park.

“People are angry, they’re scared, they’re hurt, they’re confused,” said the Rev. Seth Wispelwey of the local United Church of Christ. “White supremacists rallying in our town is an act of violence.”

Late Friday night, several hundred torch-bearing men and women marched on the main quadrangle of the University of Virginia’s grounds, shouting, “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.” They walked around the Rotunda, the university’s signature building, and to a statue of Thomas Jefferson, where a group of counterprotesters were gathered, and a brawl ensued. At least one person was led away in handcuffs by the police.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/...ville-virginia.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


Paul Krugman‏Verified account @paulkrugman 2h2 hours ago
On statues of Robert E. Lee: what would we think if German towns put up statues of Erwin Rommel, also a good general serving a vile cause?


Daniel Dale‏Verified account @ddale8 2h2 hours ago
Of 85 deadly US terror attacks since 9/11, far-right-wing extremists were responsible for 62, Islamic extremists 23.


Cato Institute‏Verified account @CatoInstitute 2h2 hours ago
Far right extremist groups committed ~73% of deadly terrorist incidents since September 12, 2001. http://j.mp/2pHGFWC #Charlottesviille


White House adviser says people should stop criticizing white supremacists so much
Gorka can't stop talking.
Judd Legum Aug 10, 2017, 12:41 pm

No one is quite sure what Sebastian Gorka, officially a deputy assistant to President Trump, actually does at the White House. This hasn’t stopped him, however, from being a near constant presence in the media.

Wednesday, Gorka appeared on Breitbart News Daily, the radio show of his former employer. Gorka responded to criticism stemming from a previous media appearance on MSNBC where he said “[t]here’s no such thing as a lone wolf” attack. The concept, according to Gorka, was “invented by the last administration to make Americans stupid.”

The idea of a “lone wolf attack,” Gorka says, is a ruse to point blame away from al Qaeda and ISIS when “[t]here has never been a serious attack or a serious plot that was unconnected from ISIS or al Qaeda.” Critics were quick to point to the example of Timothy McVeigh, who was not connected to ISIS or al Qaeda and killed 168 people when he bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

On Wednesday, Gorka lashed out at “at [New York Times reporter] Maggie Haberman and her acolytes in the fake news media, who immediately have a conniption fit” and brought up McVeigh. He added that “white men” and “white supremacists” are not “the problem.”

It’s this constant, “Oh, it’s the white man. It’s the white supremacists. That’s the problem.” No, it isn’t, Maggie Haberman. Go to Sinjar. Go to the Middle East, and tell me what the real problem is today. Go to Manchester.

Gorka noted that the Oklahoma City bombing was 22 years ago, which is true. But since 9/11, right-wing extremists — almost always white men and frequently white supremacists — have been far more deadly domestically than Muslim extremists. A study found that in the first 13.5 years after 9/11, Muslim extremists were responsible for 50 deaths in the United States. Meanwhile, “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”

You can listen to the entire interview below. The specific discussion of white supremacists starts at 8:39:

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Since Trump’s election there has been a rash of attacks by white supremacists targeting various minority groups. When another top Trump adviser, Stephen Miller, recently promoted Trump’s plan to drastically limit legal immigration, his arguments mirrored white supremacist rhetoric.

Gorka himself has been embroiled in controversy for his alleged ties to a Nazi-linked group in Hungary.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-hou...zing-white-supremacists-so-much-ddd587767d60/



See, here's the problem. There are in fact fascist movements active in the US and killing Americans. But the Republicans will do nothing about it, because the Republicans need their votes. And far too many Republicans, starting with Trump, are on their side.
 
Guns, Extremism, and Threats of Escalation
Behind the far-right’s “counter-resistance”
April 14, 2017
By Rick Perlstein

friend writes, “For basically the past six months or so I’ve been trying to tell my lefty friends in so many words, ‘Hey, there are a bunch of people on the Internet who are waiting for someone to tell them it’s okay to start shooting at you.’” He became concerned when a thread at the non-political firearms-enthusiasts website he regularly follows became filled with comments in all caps referring to liberals as enemies who must be shot. Developments both online and off following Donald Trump’s election have caused me to share his concern.

In December, an author at the biggest and most explicitly non-political gun site, the Firearms Blog (its tagline is “Firearms, not politics”), recounted his experience with an outfit that offers tactical training based on the methods of the Israel Defense Forces. The moderator soon had to begin deleting comments. One that remains protested, “as if through the millennia, hundreds of nations, principalities and city-states reached the same conclusions,” and urged the curious to check out Judaism.is/genocide.html where one can watch the film Jewish Ritual Murder Revisited: The Hidden Cult.

Four days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, a community member on a moderate firearms law site, PAGunBlog, a civil redoubt welcoming “active participation by both firearms enthusiasts and people who hate them,” described his shock from that morning’s web-surf when “a long-time commenter who I recognized as right-leaning but mostly moderate commented that ‘The Jews own and control everything in America…’ Not many months ago no one except a flaming neo-Nazi would have dreamed of expressing such an opinion, but today it seems to have become an acceptable element of our discourse. I noticed that no one replied to or castigated the comment.”

Then came February 1 in Berkeley and things really started getting scary.

The saga of what happened when Milo Yiannopoulos came to speak at the flagship campus of the University of California has since become foundational, not just with the alt-right but with quite nearly the entire right. Alt-right provocateur Yiannopoulos was turned back by violent protests, which culminated in the burning of a portable generator. Stuffed down the wingnut memory hole are the events that preceded the mêlée. The violence was, in fact, preceded by peaceful protests by approximately 1,500 Berkeley students, until they were waylaid by a tiny handful of off-campus “Black Bloc” and “antifa,” or anti-fascist, cadres who believe racist speech licenses violent resistance. It was also preceded, less than two weeks earlier, by the shooting of a Milo protester in Seattle, by a gunman who has yet to be charged with any crime.

The Battle of Berkeley accelerated the construction of a body of mythology: the left has escalated its resistance to Trump into literal war, so Trump supporters must be prepared to resort to violence to oppose it.

How afraid of this should you be? The most interesting answers to that question do not come from the left. They come from concerned voices on the right, who’ve been monitoring the chatter with mounting alarm, going public with pleas to liberals to still the antifa renegades before bodies begin piling up. The most convincing evidence that they have a point comes in the ensuing comment threads, where the need to prepare for armed force is taken as gospel.

The proprietor of Being Libertarian, a Facebook community with 438,888 likes, wrote of Berkeley, “This was a riot,” and urged liberals to “BE LOUD” and renounce the rioters: “Conservatives are going to have a field day with this. If you just sit there quietly, you’re essentially letting yourself be associated with campus-pillaging barbarians.” He added, “You should consider yourself lucky nobody shot you.”

Clearly, this man knows his audience. The comment, “When someone has set your car on fire and is chasing you around with a blunt object, you get to make an executive decision regarding your continued existence,” got 1,403 likes. The conviction that this would be acting in self-defense was affirmed by the man who wrote, “these riots that have been occurring are what got my ass in gear to get the final steps of my pistol permit application completed. My unrestricted carry permit can’t come soon enough.” Someone reminded him a gun license “is not a license to kill.” His response: “Yes I’m aware. I just refuse to end up a helpless victim when crazy **** like this goes down.”

Oleg Volk is an advertising professional and Second Amendment activist based in Nashville. He wrote on a Facebook wall about the Berkeley events: “Rioting? That’s how you get Freikorps reenacting the demise of the Bavarian Republic with full approval of the majority of the population.” The Freikorps were volunteer paramilitaries set up by German World War I veterans that violently put down Communist uprisings, piling up bodies by the thousands; the movement officially came to a close in 1933 when Freikorps leaders surrendered their battle flags in loyalty to the Nazi command. Volk made it clear that he was opposed to such escalation. Commenters responding to his post were not. “Trying to decide if I will be unhappy or happy to don Freikorps attire. Then what to bring to the party,” said one. Others discussed appropriate armaments—“Ill see your 308 and raise you a 45-70” [sic]—until one Richard Carter trumped them all: “see you all that crap 50 bmg.” He was referring the .50-caliber Browning machine gun, a weapon useful for downing low-flying aircraft. After all, another commenter observed, “The Brownshirts are all liberals now.”

Another commenter offered a “Side note: Ever notice they don’t try that **** somewhere like Texas or Florida, where the odds are good that Joe Public will ventilate their asses when assaulted.” As it happened, one month later events provided a natural experiment to prove or disprove his hypothesis.



Well dressed and well versed
March 4 was national “March 4 Trump Day.” It was also Confederate Flag Day—though whether coincidence or not is always a difficult question to answer in Trumpland, where what the president’s “respectable” partisans would prefer to keep hidden in the basement is only a dogwhistle away.

A prelude to the March 4 Trump events played out on February 19, when a complement from the “III% Security Force” armed with rifles stood guard over a pro-Trump rally in Atlanta’s Centennial Olympic Park. The next day, National Rifle Association president Wayne LaPierre went online with a video advertising his appearance at the following week’s Conservative Political Action Conference. The video opened with the words “THEY COULDN’T HANDLE IT,” interposed with clips of Michael Moore calling Donald Trump a fascist and Nancy Pelosi intoning “white supremacist,” then the words, “SO THEY STARTED A WAR,” “AGITATION,” “INSURRECTION,” and “ANARCHY.” All this was interspersed with chaotic images of fire, vandalism, and Madonna at the Women’s March explaining, “I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.” Thereupon LaPierre pledged the NRA would be the spearhead of the counter-resistance: “On Friday, February 24, we fight back.”

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Rest of the article here.
 
I thought fascists advocated a union between big government and big business

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”

Okay, so the next time a Muslim drives into a crowd Trump can accuse the crowd of bigotry and violence.

And he complains about political correctness? He cant even condemn a murderer without blaming the victim.
 
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See, here's the problem. There are in fact fascist movements active in the US and killing Americans.
If I were you, I would quickly abandon that narrative of Americans being killed and instead say something about cultural impact or whatever, because the body count since after 9/11 does not look good for you if you want to diminish the relevance of Islamists Terrorism and push the Impact of the Fascists.

At the end of 2016, the Islamists were leading with a body count of 90 to 79.
 
Jeez.. now I feel bad for my post.
 
A bunch of black Americans marching carrying flaming torches would gave had the national guard called in on them in about ten seconds. That is white supremacy clearly illustrated right there. Even nazis get kid gloves.
 
Also remember when the Berkeley community scared these people into canceling a thing there and everyone got mad.
 
A bunch of black Americans marching carrying flaming torches would gave had the national guard called in on them in about ten seconds. That is white supremacy clearly illustrated right there. Even nazis get kid gloves.
One of the major complaints in Berkeley was that the police basically didn't do anything as Antifa rushed into a "free Speech" protest. That seems to be a common behavior when groups of protesters clash. What exactly are they supposed to do?

Also remember when the Berkeley community scared these people into canceling a thing there and everyone got mad.
Have you had a look at social media in the last hours? Everyone IS mad. Your victim complex is astonishing.
 
A bunch of black Americans marching carrying flaming torches would gave had the national guard called in on them in about ten seconds. That is white supremacy clearly illustrated right there. Even nazis get kid gloves.

Hmmm, I seem to recall a Black Lives Matter march, where some loon opened fire on the police guarding the march, killing several. Some of the police even used themselves as human shields to protect the marchers so that they could get away safely.
 
One of the major complaints in Berkeley was that the police basically didn't do anything as Antifa rushed into a "free Speech" protest. That seems to be a common behavior when groups of protesters clash. What exactly are they supposed to do?

Have you had a look at social media in the last hours? Everyone IS mad. Your victim complex is astonishing.

Yeah and if counterprotests had gotten this particular nazi march shut down before it started like they did that one, people would be crying over free speech in this case too.
 
Luckily the Daily Stormer feels pretty happy that they've got Trump on their side

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He's lost the Klan though:

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I thought fascists advocated a union between big government and big business

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.”

Okay, so the next time a Muslim drives into a crowd Trump can accuse the crowd of bigotry and violence.

And he complains about political correctness? He cant even condemn a murderer without blaming the victim.


They do. But they have to consolidate power first.
 
Somehow I have a feeling some of the members of this very forum showed up to this event. That said, I won't name names.
 
Paul Krugman‏Verified account @paulkrugman 2h2 hours ago
On statues of Robert E. Lee: what would we think if German towns put up statues of Erwin Rommel, also a good general serving a vile cause?
Ok.
1. Krugman's a moron.
2. We're debating this ourselves, as you can see.

(We are hot big on statues. In general. Because...oh, frick, i'm not gonna explain it to you, on account of your silly anthem.)
"Nihilistic even by German standards", ha, good one.

The art school thing is faulty though. Young German womenfolk study art-ish subjects like this was Norway.
Generally anything "science" and Anglosphere women are busting our women's ovaries.
The reverse is true for anything "math", still, so i suppose you will end up with lots of women biologists and pediatricians who can't count. I shall not estimate whether that's a good thing or not.

Anywho, you people are aware that minorities in the US face staggering problems and discrimination?
Today.
I cannot help but marvel once again at your sense of priority.

The real analogy here is: Imagine if ze Germans kept half of their racist laws on the books and only ever got rid of them in peacemeal fashion and still managed to sub-officially employ some of them today.
That's a bit more relevant than some stutue, isn't it?
 
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Krugman is a goddamn pundit hero and one of the most worth-listening-to economists on earth.
 
His argument is stupid either way, he's acting as if it's a righteous act, but it's just empty signalboosting because of that church shooting that is absolutely unrelated from the statue. Nobody is "putting up statues", that's just a completely different thing to what is happening. It's a statue that has been there, and the issue of controversy is that it is being removed because apparently, erasing history is the way to deal with history.

Nobody who's not a nagging idiot gives a damn about those, and there's no greater issue to discuss, it's about morally outraged collectivists who want to remove it, and other morally outraged collectivists who want it to not be removed bashing each others faces in.

It's good entertainment, and the way it's going you'll soon have another civil war of which you can put up statues, but it's just big fuzz over nothing. People whose opinion about that controversy surrounding the staute is anything other than "Meh. Who cares?" should get some real problems to occupy themselves with.
 
I'm ambivalent, I support removing celebrations of southern civil war 'heroes' but why stop there? George Washington owned slaves, shall we disown him too?

Anyway, racism is one thing but to then mistreat the descendants of people who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow is just cruel. So I wont ask what Jesus would do, what do you say Robert E Lee? Should we celebrate you?
 
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