Finland, prohibition and the normalization of cannabis

[Mr. Dictator]

While not a Finn (according to some of your countrymen, everyone else is a wannabe-Finn but I disagree), I can still answer, right?

About cannabis… people should wonder why they need to consume drugs to have a good time. Is your life that empty?

btw how do they grow it in such cold weather?

Are all of your actions born out of need?

 

[Takhisis]

No. But if liking something is a good reason for doing it then we're in for it.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

No. But if liking something is a good reason for doing it then we're in for it.

Not sure I understand what you mean. "we're in for it"?

I mean, far be it from me to call for the extremes of hedonism, but a moderate pursuit of pleasure can't do anyone harm.

 

[Takhisis]

Of course not, otherwise me playing MDK would be completely immoral and I should be punishing myself. But a lot of people seem to think that if they can't have marihuana they'll be deprived of an absolute necessity of life.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Of course not, otherwise me playing MDK would be completely immoral and I should be punishing myself. But a lot of people seem to think that if they can't have marihuana they'll be deprived of an absolute necessity of life.

Well, for me it isn't the actual marijuana that I feel deprived of. I feel deprived of the choice to consume marijuana when I feel I'd want to.

I'm not saying there aren't people out there like the ones you describe, but this is my experience with the topic.

 

[_random_]

I don't think smoking pot is moral and I definitely don't think people should be treating it as "normal." Now, with that being said, it's not as bad as things like crack and cocaine, and I really don't think the government should be wasting our money trying to enforce laws against it. So I'd make it legal, but I'd definitely never smoke it and I don't think I could associate closely with someone who did.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I don't think smoking pot is moral and I definitely don't think people should be treating it as "normal." Now, with that being said, it's not as bad as things like crack and cocaine, and I really don't think the government should be wasting our money trying to enforce laws against it. So I'd make it legal, but I'd definitely never smoke it and I don't think I could associate closely with someone who did.

How exactly, in itself, is it not moral?

I agree, but because I don't think its moral or immoral.

 

[Hygro]

Weed can mess you up pretty bad too. I've had some horrible experiences of paranoia and delusion.

But yeah obviously it should be legal.

Well for sure, it is a drug and occasionally leads to bad experiences.

But ambien, man that's a trip. SSRIs can lead to suicidal ideation. Lots of drugs can send people with unsurfaced Bipolar-1 into psychotic mania. I mean lots of drugs can get you messed up in the head. When I was a little kid a dose of over the counter cough medicine made me hallucinate.

I don't think smoking pot is moral and I definitely don't think people should be treating it as "normal." Now, with that being said, it's not as bad as things like crack and cocaine, and I really don't think the government should be wasting our money trying to enforce laws against it. So I'd make it legal, but I'd definitely never smoke it and I don't think I could associate closely with someone who did.

Not sure if pretending to be Dom or if serious -.-

 

[Takhisis]

You're two weeks early, _random_!

 

[Hehehe]

But smelly though, which in my experience is enough to stop most from doing it. The pungent odor of cannabis may - besides its illegality - be the greatest asset of organized crime.

I just read an article that said that the smell is the number one reason why growers get busted. I'm not an expert but I imagine there are ways to combat the smell.

In general, I am favor of ending the prohibition against cannabis use, however there are problems. On a drug test, most drugs and alcohol will remain visible 12-24 hours after last usage. Cannabis, however, can remain detectable by drug tests for several days after previous usage. This is a problem because it means it is difficult to determine, based on a drug test, whether or not a person is high from cannabis after say an automobile accident.

I wonder if a blood test can determine if a person was intoxicated or used cannabis recently?

When people say weed isn't even a drug, they're surprisingly closer to the truth than people who say the opposite. Vicodin at low doses can get you more high. Methylphenidate at low doses can get you more high. You won't be as tripped but you will be mood altered like a motherph.

Well there are a lot of legal drugs that can get one high. Codeine (used in some pain killers and cough syrups) metabolizes to morphine (though I imagine those medicine require a prescription). I believe a lot of anti depressants are similar to ecstasy and a lot of ADD medicine is similar to amphetamines.

I'm not a Finn, but I'll answer anyway.

While not a Finn (according to some of your countrymen, everyone else is a wannabe-Finn but I disagree), I can still answer, right?

I did not mean to stifle discussion, everyone is allowed to answer. But I'd like to hear my countrymen's opinions especially.

About cannabis… people should wonder why they need to consume drugs to have a good time. Is your life that empty?

If you decide to live your life completely sober, then I respect your decision. But I don't get your judgmental attitude. Drugs, be it alcohol or weed or maybe something else, can be enjoyed responsibly. Not only do they provide enjoyment (though drugs should never be the only source of enjoyment in a persons life however IMO), in some cases it may be good for ones health too.

Sometimes when I'm stressed out from working all day, enjoy a drink (only one drink). It's a great stress reliever, it's like my mind is completely "cleared" in a way.

btw how do they grow it in such cold weather?

Despite what the stereotypes tell you, it is not always winter and snow here. We do have a warm summer, even if it is not that long. Besides, it is always warm inside.

What a quote monster this post...

 

[Power_of_Beer]

I don't think smoking pot is moral and I definitely don't think people should be treating it as "normal." Now, with that being said, it's not as bad as things like crack and cocaine, and I really don't think the government should be wasting our money trying to enforce laws against it. So I'd make it legal, but I'd definitely never smoke it and I don't think I could associate closely with someone who did.

Genesis - 1:12
"I have given you all the seed bearing plants on earth to use "

 

[Mise]

Wait who was AVN, again (it's probably really obvious and I'll be like oops)? I'm pretty sure it was Bozo Erectus though.

They both married the same Finn. They both married Mathilda.

 

[luiz]

They both married the same Finn. They both married Mathilda.

This is all very confusing news...

What are the odds... So I take it AVN and Mathilda are no longer a couple?

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Correct.

PMs and VMs are your friends. So if you want to continue talking about other forum members, please use them. Back to the topic in this thread, thanks.

 

[Hygro]

Luiz, must be a changed username

I just read an article that said that the smell is the number one reason why growers get busted. I'm not an expert but I imagine there are ways to combat the smell.

Well, the smell isn't like tobacco, it doesn't cling to things (walls, perhaps lungs, etc). Take away the source and the smell dissipates completely in a very short time.



I wonder if a blood test can determine if a person was intoxicated or used cannabis recently?

Well there are a lot of legal drugs that can get one high. Codeine (used in some pain killers and cough syrups) metabolizes to morphine (though I imagine those medicine require a prescription). I believe a lot of anti depressants are similar to ecstasy and a lot of ADD medicine is similar to amphetamines.

Anti depressants are almost nothing like ecstasy. Both increase levels of seratonin but the effect is very different--and not because of dose levels/magnitude. A lot of ADHD medicines are amphetamine. Even methamphetamine is (rarely) prescribed for ADHD. Amphetamine and methylphenidate are the two main ADHD treatments. One you know as Adderall, the other as Ritalin. Methylphenidate gives an almost identical reaction as cocaine. Both amphetamine and methylphenidate work, among other reasons, by releasing dopamine in the brain.

Codeine, vicodin, oxycontin, morphine, percocet, heroine, methadone etc are all derived from opium.

Ambien will mess you up beyond anything. All the "ambien walrus" memes exaggerate nothing down to the idea that you could be seeing a talking walrus. And unlike other "real" hallucinogens, you don't even know you're tripping like that and might not even be conscious at all.

Standard Robitussin cough syrup, active ingredient DXM, is a drug in the same family is ketamine and PCP. It's a dissociative and hallucinogen, and doesn't require that much more than the dose to be on something.

Diphenhydramine aka Benedryl will also get you high. Most people don't realize it at normal doses unless they are tuned into that thing, but at higher doses its very obvious.


Yeah, basically drugs are drugs, and some are legal and some aren't, and it doesn't make any sense.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Well, the smell isn't like tobacco, it doesn't cling to things (walls, perhaps lungs, etc). Take away the source and the smell dissipates completely in a very short time.

I can confirm this fun fact . You always knew it was safe to smoke bongs inside before mum got home , but ciggies were suicide

 

[Tahuti]

Weed can mess you up pretty bad too. I've had some horrible experiences of paranoia and delusion.

But yeah obviously it should be legal.

Guess that depends from person to person, and from whom you've obtained weed, but I find beer much more of a drag on my mental capabilities than weed.

 

[civver_764]

Guess that depends from person to person, and from whom you've obtained weed, but I find beer much more of a drag on my mental capabilities than weed.

Yeah weed is always different for me. Sometimes I think its the best thing I've ever experienced, but a few times I've gotten so paranoid that I thought I was mentally ******** and nobody had the heart to tell me. It's got powerful effects on the mind at high doses.

 

[Narz]

When people say weed isn't even a drug, they're surprisingly closer to the truth than people who say the opposite.

If weed is "a drug" than chocolate is also a drug. A extra large 85% chocolate bar will affect me physiologically far more & for far longer than a joint.

Sorry, I don't have anything constructive to say about Finland as I know nearly nothing about it.

 

[BvBPL]

I wonder if a blood test can determine if a person was intoxicated or used cannabis recently?

Not with any great validity because the active ingredient is fat soluble so it can stick around in the blood stream longer. So let's say Otto the school bus driver smoked on the weekend. Come Wednesday he gets in a car crash. It is possible that the grass could still show up in his system despite him being clean for a few days.

It could be possible that some other marker other than the primary active ingredient could be tracked, but that's beyond my knowledge.