For Liberty(and pwnage) Ron Paul 2012 Part II

[kochman]

Barring Paul receiving the GOP nomination, I will swing my support and financial backing to Gary Johnson, who is running on the Libertarian ticket. I suspect millions of Paul supporters will do the same.

Can you give the money to me instead? I need it, and it will be the same outcome for you... maybe better because you will have my sincere gratitude...

 

[Leoreth]

Are the German ones as bad as the U.S. ones?

I've never been to a US Aldi, but it's awfully bad here, in any case. I was just surprised that something that crappy wasn't only able to spread abroad, but even to the US, which I thought was already saturated with discounters.

All of which, to make that tangent a little more relevant, made possible by the market

Everyone agrees that its products are bad, and while people who buy there claim it's cheaper, studies have shown that it isn't even cheaper than competitors with a reputation of being costly. This goes to show that the central assumptions of the (perfect) free market model, economic rationality and complete information, don't hold true in the real world.

 

[Cutlass]

I've never been to a US Aldi, but it's awfully bad here, in any case. I was just surprised that something that crappy wasn't only able to spread abroad, but even to the US, which I thought was already saturated with discounters.

All of which, to make that tangent a little more relevant, made possible by the market

Everyone agrees that its products are bad, and while people who buy there claim it's cheaper, studies have shown that it isn't even cheaper than competitors with a reputation of being costly. This goes to show that the central assumptions of the (perfect) free market model, economic rationality and complete information, don't hold true in the real world.

That's interesting. There is one here in town. And I've been in it a couple times. But I haven't tried serious shopping there because they don't have what I want. I haven't really tried to compare prices. But if it isn't good, then that ends all the benefit. They mainly have off brand stuff that I haven't tried for quality.

 

[Leoreth]

If you buy only off brand products, they beat a brand product palette of course. But every supermarket has comparable off brand products these days to compete in that segment, so buying in a proper supermarket only gets you more options (or freedom, if you want ) with the same ability to save. But only Aldi (and its mirror counterpart Lidl to some lesser extent) have the reputation of being cheap here.

The idea that this made it to the US still intrigues me. What are they doing differently that they could enter the US market? Is relying solely on off brand products really such a novel idea?

 

[Cutlass]

The selling point as I understand it is they claim to save money by eliminating many of the features of conventional grocery stores, and claiming that saves them money. They have no bags, for a while they would not take credit cards, (but I think they dropped that because it flat out doesn't work here), they have no customer service. No deli or meat departments. Also they target markets that are under-served by the conventional supermarket chains, like smallish towns in the Northeast. The US has big supermarkets in big suburban towns, but city centers and rural areas have a deficit of good stores.

I have no idea how Aldi is really doing. I'll try to pay attention to that in the future.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Aldi is great. Just the product, none of the bs.

What is Ron Paul's position on the Aldi.

 

[Traitorfish]

You're defending the guy who planned and encouraged people to dress as KKK members. useless you're clearly the racist here, since you run to their defense so speedily in your effort to defame and lynch Ron Paul.

I see what you did there.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have a novel idea for you guys. Make a thread about how racist Ron Paul is.

 

[uppi]

I have a novel idea for you guys. Make a thread about how racist Ron Paul is.

Wait...that isn't what this thread is about?

 

[Antilogic]

I have a novel idea for you guys. Make a thread about how racist Ron Paul is.

Now I'm confused. At first, it sounded like you were trying to get us back on-topic, but now it sounds like you don't.

Clever.

 

[Cryptic_Snow]

Can you give the money to me instead? I need it, and it will be the same outcome for you... maybe better because you will have my sincere gratitude...

If you're libertarian and run for local, state, federal office possibly

 

[Cryptic_Snow]

Then again you support a racist, homophobic candidate.



I am not engaging in cognitive dissonance, you are.

But keep ignoring the growing evidence against Paul, even as i actually provide evidence whilst you make assertions from Ron Paul who would never admit to writting them, except when he did (which you continue to ignore) in 1996.

Stop ignoring the Ben Swann reporting. He found the actual author. You have blinders on to the truth and a deep-seeded psychological hatred within you.

 

[Antilogic]

Stop ignoring the Ben Swann reporting. He found the actual author. You have blinders on to the truth and a deep-seeded psychological hatred within you.

Who was the original author?

 

[Arakhor]

Stop ignoring the Ben Swann reporting. He found the actual author. You have blinders on to the truth and a deep-seeded psychological hatred within you.

If it's deep-seeded, perhaps someone should pass out the political pesticide.

 

[useless]

Stop ignoring the Ben Swann reporting. He found the actual author. You have blinders on to the truth and a deep-seeded psychological hatred within you.

Stop ignoring the fact that Ron Paul initially admitted to writting them.

Keep the the personal attacks flowing however.

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Some people are engaging in some sort of actual discussion and others are not, preferring continued mud slinging.

Instead of closing the thread, I'll try something different. useless & Cryptic_Snow, you're both banned from posting in this thread for 72 hours. This doesn't mean that you can just transfer the argument to another thread. Play it safe and drop the topic for that time.

 

[Miles Teg]

Watched the video. It had some interesting analysis of the history Ron Paul newsletters, but then gets ridiculous around the 7:10 mark when the reporter starts questioning whether the newsletters that racist, and repeating the old conservative saw that charges of racism, well-founded or not, are nothing more than a political dirty trick.

Frankly, the defenses that Ron Paul and his surrogates have mustered just wind up making him worse. Okay, we get the fact that Paul can't be trusted to manage a monthly publication. But look at the clip of Paul* defending himself towards the end of the video. He denies holding the views expressed in the newsletter he put his name to, but shows no awareness of why those things are wrong and offensive, and when the anchor asks who is responsible for the paragraphs he shrugs and blames it on a safely anonymous group of staffers. When the anchor points out that he should really make the effort to find out who is responsible, he changes the subject.

Additionally, there are significant problems with the narrative that this video presents. While Ron Paul didn't written the articles in question, he was apparently willing to defend the statements in them back in the 90s. If he wasn't familiar with the articles back then, he wasn't certainly willing to defend the racist content published under his name.

Incidentally, if you're not going to watch the video (it really isn't worth anyone's time), I would recommend that catch the last minute of it, which is an absolutely hilarious rant.

*Incidentally, for all the claims of Obama being treated as a messiah by the Left, I don't recall any videos of the Obama's interviews being set to choir music.

 

[kochman]

Do you hold Ted Turner responsible for every word every said on CNN?

 

[Miles Teg]

Do you hold Ted Turner responsible for every word every said on CNN?

Well yeah. A 8 page monthly newsletter is about as hard to oversee as a 24 hour news channel. The orders of magnitude difference in raw content doesn't hurt that analogy at all.

On a more serious note, if Ted Turner (back when he still owned CNN) had defended racist remarks made by one of his employees in his name, and then declined to cut ties or even identify the person who made said racist remarks, I probably wouldn't vote for him to be town dogcatcher, let alone commander in chief.

 

[kochman]

I will agree that Ron Paul should have, and hasn't, disavowed and rejected the support of groups such as neo-nazis...

Doesn't make Turner ok... but, then again, Turner isn't running for president.

But, realistically speaking, neither is Paul... as he, himself, has acknowledged (perhaps to the detriment of his campaign).