Foreign Policy: UniversCiv

[2metraninja]

The mountains are quite big in diameter, so "behind the mountains" can be blurred as a term.

 

[Bowsling]

You want that translated?

Nope.

Actually, the borders of their new stone city will touch the mountain range:

Spoiler :

Our nearest city is about 7 tiles from the southern tip of the range, so they probably won't believe us if we say it is halfway between our current borders. Instead of borders, I would say it is about halfway between our capitals (though this is something of a guess since we don't know exactly where their cap is).

The mountains are quite big in diameter, so "behind the mountains" can be blurred as a term.

Where else should we draw the line? The mountains seemed like the most natural border to me, but perhaps you guys have some other suggestions?

 

[2metraninja]

I mean that the mountains are some 4-5-6 tiles in diameter. Do we mean the center of this mountain heap, south or north end?

As for more precise border - maybe parallel? But then do we say "this parallel is the border and no team shall settle north/south of it or "no one shall settle on it and north/south"? Because borders are cool, but if one team settles on the border, this pushes the other team 2 tiles behind automatically. Two rows of tiles are not small thing in this map I can say.

 

[YossarianLives]

To be clear, my position is that the mountain range should be our border with UCiv. I'm just saying we have to be careful how we refer to them, because UCiv's border is currently closer to the mountains than our own.

As for a general agreement, I think something about how we get to settle the south of the mountains (if the Spaniards don't get there first), and they get the north of the mountains (which they have already claimed with their stone city). Basically, the agreement is, they don't settle more cities towards us, and we won't settle a city anywhere around their stone city.

 

[YossarianLives]

Ok, here's another look of the area between us. I drew in a line at what I think should be a rough border between us.

Spoiler :

 

[Bowsling]

Damn, sorry for my absence, guys.

I'm still kind of at a loss to draw a border. Should we just tell them that it is highly unlikely that we will border them anyways?

 

[2metraninja]

Drawing borders is easy, but why those exactly? Couldnt we push it a little bit their way? They might not have our great scouting and to know how exactly starting locations and spheres of influence are spaced?

Then how we will explain them with words a bit more complex border? Another thing to consider is if it is a "no settling zone" or just separating line? In the latter case, whoever team sends there settlers, wins 2-3 rows.

 

[YossarianLives]

Oh, no problem on the absence. It's been less than a week since we got UCiv's message, and they know we're juggling diplo with lots of teams right now.

I think your message is really good. It's just that line about the mountains being exactly halfway between our current borders that I would change. Maybe something like this:

Greetings UniversCiv,

We will gladly accept your offer of a thirty-turn non-aggression pact!

If you explore to your southwest, you will eventually come across a mountain range and a plains marble tile. This is almost exactly halfway between our borders as of right now. We agree that it would be good to establish a border between us. The mountain range south of your newest city is about halfway between our capitals. If you agree not to settle south of the mountains, we won't settle north of them. However, it seems like Spanish Apolyton will settle that area before us, which will deny our teams a mutual border. Of course, in a scenario where Spanish Apolyton does not settle the area, we will stay on our side of the mountains.

Sincerely,
Ambassador Bowsling
Team CivFanatics

 

[Bowsling]

This draft seems fine, hoping to send it tonight.

Greetings UniversCiv,

Apologies for the long response time, it seems that our diplomatic council has discovered the famed Gaulish wine! Planned council meetings have turned into riotous parties, and riotous parties have turned into plain chaos.

We will gladly accept your offer of a thirty-turn non-aggression pact!

This is almost exactly halfway between our borders as of right now. We agree that it would be good to establish a border between us. The mountain range south of your newest city is about halfway between our capitals. If you agree not to settle south of the mountains, we won't settle north of them. However, it seems like Spanish Apolyton will settle that area before us, which will deny our teams a mutual border. Of course, in a scenario where Spanish Apolyton does not settle the area, we will stay on our side of the mountains.

Sincerely,
Ambassador Bowsling
Team CivFanatics

 

[1889]

Right on.

 

[talonschild]

Solid. I seem to have missed why we've dropped the French, though.

 

[YossarianLives]

I definitely think we should translate this. UCiv said their own translator has been unavailable.

 

[2metraninja]

Good. Still gives (hopefully us) chance to eventually settle beyond the exact halfway.

 

[talonschild]

I'm all for continuing to do the translation on our end, so I went ahead and translated the message.

Salut, UniversCiv,

Excusez-nous cette temps longue à répondre, il semble que notre conseil diplomatique a découvert le vin fameux gaulois! Réunions de conseil planifiés se sont tournés en fêtes soûlards, fêtes soûlards se sont tournés en chaos plein.

Nous acceptons volontiers votre offre d'une pacte de non-agression de 30 tours.

C'est presque exactement à mi-chemin entre nos frontières. Nous sommes accords qu'il faut tracer une limite entre nous. La chaîne de montagnes sud de votre nouvelle ville est environ à mi-chemin entre nos capitales. Si vous ne coloniseriez pas au sud des montagnes, nous ne coloniserez pas au nord. Toutefois, il semble qu'Apolyton espagnol colonisera cette région avant nous, qui nous refusera une frontière commune. Bien sûr, dans un scénario où l'Apolyton espagnol no colonise pas cette région, nous resterons de notre côté des montagnes.

Sincèrement,
Ambassadeur Bowsling
Equipe Civfanatics

 

[Aivoturso]

First sentence of the last chapter seems to be out of place. I think it is a leftover from the earlier wording of the message.

 

[talonschild]

I'd been wondering about that myself. Could we get clarification to include as to what exactly "this" is?

 

[YossarianLives]

I'm pretty sure that was accidently left over. It was one of the two sentences I had crossed out in my suggestion, and it doesn't make any sense out of context without the other sentence that was crossed out. It had been in reference to the mountain range and marble resource.

So, if we can remove that line from the English and French versions, I think the rest of the message is ready to send.

 

[talonschild]

Sweet. Bowsling, would you care to do the honours?

 

[Bowsling]

Salut UniversCiv,

Excusez-nous cette temps longue à répondre, il semble que notre conseil diplomatique a découvert le vin fameux gaulois!

Nous acceptons votre offre d'une pacte de non-agression de 30 tours.

Nous sommes d'accords qu'il faut tracer une limite entre nous. La chaîne de montagnes sud de votre nouvelle ville est environ à mi-chemin entre nos capitales. Si vous ne coloniseriez pas au sud des montagnes, nous ne coloniserez pas au nord. Toutefois, il semble qu'Apolyton espagnol colonisera cette région avant nous, qui nous refusera une frontière commune. Bien sûr, dans un scénario où l'Apolyton espagnol ne colonise pas cette région, nous resterons de notre côté des montagnes.

Cordialement,
Ambassadeur Bowsling
Équipe CivFanatics

Made a couple of edits for style and grammar. Will send shortly. Thanks for the translation.

EDIT: Sent!

 

[talonschild]

Not a problem, thanks for fixing my mistakes.