[RD] Games as a Service

There is no point hoarding installers like they're gold bars. You're going to lose them to disk failure or obsolescence through hardware/software incompatibility in the long run anyway.

What actually matters is people with the technical expertise and will to maintain legacy software in a state of being functional. So really, if GoG dies then you're still going to "lose" your hoarded games anyway, DRM or no DRM.

The price you pay for any game should always be the price you want for it now. These are not investments or stores of value.
 
There is no point hoarding installers like they're gold bars. You're going to lose them to disk failure or obsolescence through hardware/software incompatibility in the long run anyway.

What actually matters is people with the technical expertise and will to maintain legacy software in a state of being functional. So really, if GoG dies then you're still going to "lose" your hoarded games anyway, DRM or no DRM.

The price you pay for any game should always be the price you want for it now. These are not investments or stores of value.

Sure man.

Obsolescence through hardware incompatibility is dependent upon never ending availability of improving hardware. I don't really have that guaranteed. I could have to stop upgrading my hardware to keep up with state of the art game software and just play the games I have on the machine that I have...which I could in fact spend the rest of my life doing if push came to shove. Can you? Oh, well, if your internet service stops the answer there is a clean, flat, no...because there went Steam.
 
Sure man.

Obsolescence through hardware incompatibility is dependent upon never ending availability of improving hardware. I don't really have that guaranteed. I could have to stop upgrading my hardware to keep up with state of the art game software and just play the games I have on the machine that I have...which I could in fact spend the rest of my life doing if push came to shove. Can you? Oh, well, if your internet service stops the answer there is a clean, flat, no...because there went Steam.

Stuff breaks Tim. You're committing to visiting yard sales to look for replacement parts.
 
Stuff breaks Tim. You're committing to visiting yard sales to look for replacement parts.

And you are committing to Steam never goes out of business. And social order that provides internet service always exists. And you can always afford internet service if it does exist. Etc etc etc. So I get the point of your concern, but think it is misdirected.

By the way, I have the machine that my current one replaced. It is still sitting right here and is fully capable of running every game I own except two. If I have to fall back to it after several years I'll be okay.
 
If the social order collapses to the point of unavailable internet service I think we have bigger problems than gaming

I think a few years ago there was a big solar flare that could've knocked out all our electronics except it missed us.
 
And you are committing to Steam never goes out of business. And social order that provides internet service always exists. And you can always afford internet service if it does exist. Etc etc etc. So I get the point of your concern, but think it is misdirected.

But I'm not. I don't believe that Steam will not go out of business. Its just of sufficient utility to me right now.

I'm not a rival hoarder telling you that my hoarding system is better. I lack a belief that hoarding is a successful long term strategy.
 
But I'm not. I don't believe that Steam will not go out of business. Its just of sufficient utility to me right now.

I'm not a rival hoarder telling you that my hoarding system is better. I lack a belief that hoarding is a successful long term strategy.

Your term is longer than mine.
If the social order collapses to the point of unavailable internet service I think we have bigger problems than gaming

Really? I'm pretty convinced that a failure of social order will kill about 90-95% of the people who live within 200 miles of me within a matter of weeks, but I'm fairly confident of my place in the 5-10% that survive. I'm also fairly confident that once the stench of decay dies down I'll have easy access to a whole lot of stuff. What I will really lack, more likely than anything else, are enjoyable ways to fill the time in a tremendously depressing world gone awry...so, yeah, games will help.
 
Sorry Aimee, just an unpleasant fact of life. Power shuts off, water shuts off. I live in a desert that is notably unsuitable for human occupation. So people here die. In bunches.
 
It was Epic Games, yes. They're heavily incentivizing in order to up their numbers. The issue, for me, is that their platform simply sucks. I gave in due to the incentives eventually, but I think they're doomed to fail unless they put serious work into improving the platform.

If people want to decry Steam, that's fine, but these would-be competitors are dooming themselves if they can't muster an equivalent quality to the baddie.
There are a couple of problems with this, in my opinion.

Firstly, "simply sucks" is entirely subjective, which makes building a competitive platform a fool's errand (unless it somehow mirrors Steam in every way, and they've had an X year headstart). This isn't me saying "aha subjective YOU LOSE". This is me saying it's impossible to draw on a hundred thousand variants of why it apparently sucks and build an effective roadmap out of it.

A lot of a (general, hypothetical) player's investment in Steam is straight-up psychological. It's why they added account levels, it's why they added Trading Cards (well, that and the money factor). I'm not saying it doesn't work, or people are bad for liking shiny aesthetic bells and whistles, but it creates an image that is harder to compete with.

There were people spamming "Epic sucks because it doesn't allow user reviews" as though that was a glaring omission and not intentional choice (see: all the issues Steam's had with review bombing).

Secondly, we have evidence of competing clients that do have comparable features and they somehow weren't good enough. Origin launched out of beta with a working offline mode, all the trophy aesthetic stuff, and the overriding manta was "EA sucks". It had little to do with the client, just like a lot of positive impressions of Steam come from its association with Valve. People will justify anything on spurious (and most recently, somewhat racist) theories. Take Tencent, for example. A huge investor in a ton of companies, but because they have shares in Epic people came out with "it sells information to China". Folks can dislike Tencent all they want (I trust them as far as I can trust any company above a certain size, office building included. So not at all :p), but all this scaremongering does is preserve the status quo of Steam's dominance in the market - with Steam not having done anything (and certainly not being at all innocent in terms of data collection. No more than any company does, but that goes for, well, all companies. I criticise them equally on this kind of thing - I have a lot of experience with data privacy since GDPR came into effect over here).

I use Steam, Origin, Epic, whatever. Except the Stardock one, because Stardock sucks (in my personal and humble opinion). That's my choice. But I also recognise the problems people have with the concept of DRM full stop (which to me is far more understandable than selective dislikes of whatever platform - because it's consistent). My problem (and it's nothing to do with anyone in this thread) is I've had to deal with so many people bending over backwards to defend whatever Steam has done and is doing because said folks are emotionally (and financially) invested in it, but just don't recognise that.

I'm invested in Steam! I have several hundred games on it, which I would struggle to source elsewhere and especially given the cost involved. I'm unlikely to be getting rid of it anytime soon. But I've had a lot of arguments about feature parity over the past decade, and in my lengthy but still anecdotal experience, people just can't seem to separate that investment from their analysis.
 
It really isn't, and your belief that you somehow have more control over your video games (and that this is very very important to have) is silly.

LOL...how old do you plan to get?
 
If the social order collapses to the point of unavailable internet service I think we have bigger problems than gaming
I've mostly been playing Blood Bowl 2 lately, and because I still have a card-and-plastic version of Blood Bowl in a cupboard, that's the one problem I would actually have covered.

Sure, it only has the human and orc teams, but I can get the rules for the other teams onl- ah, no, wait, I see it now, the living will envy the dead, yep.
 
I'm invested in Steam! I have several hundred games on it, which I would struggle to source elsewhere and especially given the cost involved. I'm unlikely to be getting rid of it anytime soon. But I've had a lot of arguments about feature parity over the past decade, and in my lengthy but still anecdotal experience, people just can't seem to separate that investment from their analysis.

I have the distinct advantage in that while I was never dissatisfied with Half-Life 2 I did take a pretty much instant hatred to Valve when they explained their "terrible plight" about piracy driving them to the brink of bankruptcy so they "just had to do something about it." That hatred expanded geometrically when a few months later they were everywhere talking about how the letter contained in the first release of Half-Life 2 was "misinterpreted" and Steam of course wasn't DRM or anything to do with DRM since Valve was just a bunch of gamers making games for gamers because gamers love gamers and they are just gamers so go ahead and love them because they certainly have nothing to do with DRM.

So my sum total investment in Steam is exactly one game, which makes it easier for me to point Valve out as exactly what they are.
 
I have the distinct advantage in that while I was never dissatisfied with Half-Life 2 I did take a pretty much instant hatred to Valve when they explained their "terrible plight" about piracy driving them to the brink of bankruptcy so they "just had to do something about it." That hatred expanded geometrically when a few months later they were everywhere talking about how the letter contained in the first release of Half-Life 2 was "misinterpreted" and Steam of course wasn't DRM or anything to do with DRM since Valve was just a bunch of gamers making games for gamers because gamers love gamers and they are just gamers so go ahead and love them because they certainly have nothing to do with DRM.

So my sum total investment in Steam is exactly one game, which makes it easier for me to point Valve out as exactly what they are.

So whats your explanation for why Civ 5 has outsold the entire previous Civ series on Steam?

It does look to me like Steam has created consumers out of pirates. As a former habitual pirate myself and friend of about 10 similar, we all suddenly moved to Steam somewhere in the mid-2000s because a 1 click download was even easier than a 5 click download.
 
If the social order collapses to the point of unavailable internet service I think we have bigger problems than gaming

If "the internet" breaks down even for a few days millions of people will die and we'll have utter Chaos. little things in the field of logistics are done entirely without the internet nowadays, and logistics is everything. we're incredibly reliant on it.
 
Fallout 76 was already garbage, but now they've announced a new subscription service! You get the opportunity to pay them $100/yr (or $12.99/mo) to play Fallout 76 as a single-player title! You also get some micro-transaction currency lmao

Horrible. Bethesda is garbage.

None of the games I play are like this. I only play games you buy once and that's it.

Easy to say, but if Transport Fever 2 changed it so you had to pay $100 a year to play, I would stop playing and/or return to an older version that's installed on my HD. No doubt they will never do that because their fanbase would destroy them (I think).

I just realized this post is months old, but I'm gonna hit post anyway
 
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