[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Samson]

To ensure that the protesters were not a crowd, but an organized mass, you need to prepare. Very long preparation.
In the Russian Empire, the 1905 revolution was also suppressed by mobile detachments of Cossacks. They rode into the crowd on horseback and struck with swords and whips. The police also sent provocateurs. Although the protesters have been building since then, more than 100 years have passed. But the revolution of 1917 won. It was preceded by a very long preparation, the creation of underground organizations, etc.

Maidan in Ukraine also won. For its preparation, too, various organizations were created. 5 milliards of dollars were transferred from the United States to create "democratic institutions" in Ukrainian society. Employees of the SBU (counterintelligence service) were trained by the CIA, the military also studied in the United States. The coup was preceded by the actions "Ukraine without Kuchma" and the first Maidan. At the right moment, the security services and the army betrayed President Yanukovich, the masses of people came out on the square, and he had virtually no allies left. The media showed only one point of view - a Pro-Western one. (the current President was portrayed as a bloody tyrant, and savages throwing Molotov cocktails at the police were portrayed as innocent children.)

This is decades of preparation!

Ps: You can still like in Syria-the army is being introduced into a city that is held by several thousand protesters. Starts shooting. Destroys the entire block. Protesters take over another block. And so on until the city burns to the ground. Then they dig the catacombs and the positional war begins. But no one will like it.

I am sure a multi-million dollar long standing operation helps, but it does not seem necessary for these basic steps. It has been a very long time since I was at a demo, but staying as a block and not letting the police single out an individual was something that was discussed, and seemed to work. I do not know how to make a burning tire barricade, but I am sure antifa does and if you have smashed cars you must have the ingredients.

 

[Gorbles]

To simplify following the criminal justice news of the last 36 hours, I posted a set of 10 links to police brutality videos on Facebook

Can't do that here, obvs

So I'm putting them into a thread

Source (Twitter).

First example is an officer trampling a peaceful protestor with a horse.

 

[Joij21]

I'm sorry, to clarify, you think that the reason these events are disorganised is because the people involved have collectively, spontaneously, decided that they want the police to shoot them dead, because this will make a good talking point for somebody else at a later date?

And you think this is a... good take?

I never said it was a good take. When people are being systematically oppressed to the point of total depravity emotions take hold over logic to point where concerns for one's own personal safety become irrelevant.

 

[Gorbles]

Continuing my linking of Twitter threads, here's a tangentially-related historical piece on COINTELPRO and state / police resistance to black communities in the US.

Yes, it's a Fred Hampton thread. Linky. Really is a good read, especially if you're not familiar with it.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Trump being against anti fascists tells you all you need to know about the man

 

[GyaruRespecter]

According to some of my autistic anti-fed American friends, Trump is laying back and watching the chaos unfold because he wants more republican sympathy to get reelected.

It's still a very small number of people that believes it though, the other rest are calling for his head for not doing anything while the states burn.

 

[Traitorfish]

I never said it was a good take. When people are being systematically oppressed to the point of total depravity emotions take hold over logic to point where concerns for one's own personal safety become irrelevant.

What you're describing, though, is not emotion taking over logic. You are proposing that the protesters are courting police violence in a cynical attempting to create martyrs, to die themselves if necessary, and you are proposing that they have all spontaneously elected to do so. Far from an emotional response, you characterise these people as absolute icy, calculating sociopaths.

The scenario you describe is ridiculous. It makes no sense, and it contributes nothing to our understanding of what is happening. It is a bad take.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

 

[Joij21]

What you're describing, though, is not emotion taking over logic. You are proposing that the protesters are courting police violence in a cynical attempting to create martyrs, to die themselves if necessary, and you are proposing that they have all spontaneously elected to do so. Far from an emotional response, you characterise these people as absolute icy, calculating sociopaths.

The scenario you describe is ridiculous. It makes no sense, and it contributes nothing to our understanding of what is happening. It is a bad take.

Ok maybe not the majority of them. But I do believe a small minority do in fact want to go down as martyrs.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Take a guess what progressive said this:

"While no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the pent-up feelings that may result from decades of repression and people who have had members of their family killed by that regime, for them to be taking their feelings out on that regime."

Spoiler :

Donald Rumsfield

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Take a guess what progressive said this:

"While no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the pent-up feelings that may result from decades of repression and people who have had members of their family killed by that regime, for them to be taking their feelings out on that regime."

Spoiler :

Donald Rumsfield

The mental gymnastics of conservatives is so impressive they should compete in the Olympics at this point.

 

[JohannaK]

I am sure a multi-million dollar long standing operation helps, but it does not seem necessary for these basic steps. It has been a very long time since I was at a demo, but staying as a block and not letting the police single out an individual was something that was discussed, and seemed to work. I do not know how to make a burning tire barricade, but I am sure antifa does and if you have smashed cars you must have the ingredients.

I think some people just dont have the temper to stand united. Last October I was taking pictures of the protests here in Barcelona and multiple times I witnessed a mob stampeding after the riot police took two steps forward. I had to run from the mob. They werent in danger but they werent holding. It was very dispiriting. You would then see 6 people or so sitting in the middle of the street, and all but one fleeing at the first foam rounds being shot.

I wished I werent taking pictures so that I could sit by him, but I also wished that someone else shared his determination. People love to talk of resistance but have no concept of it.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It's factually true as well; the police treat americans, especially PoC, like enemies, even in their own homes

 

[GyaruRespecter]

Ok maybe not the majority of them. But I do believe a small minority do in fact want to go down as martyrs.

No one wanst to be a martyr, they just want new TVs.

And to kill people, but that's secondary.

 

[Joij21]

No one wanst to be a martyr, they just want new TVs.

And to kill people, but that's secondary.

Religious zealots want to be martyrs. But they also kill people, so I'll give you that.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And to kill people, but that's secondary.

But enough about cops

 

[GyaruRespecter]

But enough about cops

Cops have no political power, unlike the media conglomerates banking those riots. All black people, consciously or not, are complicit in those burnings.

 

[Zkribbler]

I do not know how to make a burning tire barricade,

Kindling and/or accelerants on the bottom, larger flammables next, then tires. It's like a backyard barbecue.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Cops have no political power, unlike the media conglomerates banking those riots.

You can lie to yourself, but never lie to me.

 

[GyaruRespecter]

You can lie to yourself, but never lie to me.

Apologize to whitey, goyim.