[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[GyaruRespecter]

Do me a favour my friend and don't speak as if you know a single thing about me, you probably had a better upbringing than i did, guarantee you your schooling was better than mine, 100%.

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the cozy Uncle Sam thinks he own the monopoly of poverty or suffering! As usual! You wouldn't last a day in our middle class, let alone the lower class.

Let me guess, your school was an evil white male indoctrination center because it didn't teach you about critical gender theory at an early age and such?

There is a lot of debate about who is looting and vandalizing. I recall the Target being looted and one women had boxes of cereal in her hands. . . thats indicative of where we are getting just generally.

True, but that's not the point. The point is that they're being robbed and destroyed by a barbarian mob of thieves and lynchers, and American politicians are going BEYOND just ignoring them but also elevating them to the point of national heroes in speeches. If the woman you mentioned was actually considered a thief, yeah, I follow you. But was she?

How many times do you need to be put on a pedestal and worshipped by the Status Quo before you're able to destroy the Status Quo?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the cozy Uncle Sam thinks he own the monopoly of poverty or suffering! As usual! You wouldn't last a day in our middle class, let alone the lower class.

Let me guess, your school was an evil white male indoctrination center because it didn't teach you about critical gender theory at an

What are you trying to say here?

 

[Красный Комиссар]

The protestors are a bunch of animals burning down cities, lynching and murdering people and rich corporate owners + politicans are more than happy supporting them destroying houses and livelihoods. Thankfully, they're all American, so this is what they deserve for shoving their brand of fake democracy down every other country's throats.

Hopefully this will cause a civil war and we'll all be completely free from USA imperialism forever?

I doubt it will cause anything. This is because the protesters look like a herd of wild animals and behave like a herd. They don't have a leader or an idea to follow. The police will introduce provocateurs into the ranks of the protesters, who provoke the crowd to crimes - hooliganism, looting. The population will then perceive all the protesters as bandits. This is the easiest way to level any protest. That this would not happen we need a clear structure, hierarchy. Provocateurs need to be isolated. Put forward quite specific political demands. I don't see any of this. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm still on the other side of the globe, but it looks like this from the outside.

About the civil war - I don't like American imperialism either. In my country, it caused a civil war. But the proletarians of America have done me no harm. And civil war in a nuclear country is... I am glad that Ukraine got rid of nuclear weapons. Otherwise, the current apes would have already started a nuclear war.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Meanwhile in Flint, Michigan

But amid the violence there were also moments of solidarity. In Flint, Michigan, Sheriff Chris Swanson took off the riot helmets of his men, laid down batons and asked protesters what they wanted. After hugs and high fives, they chanted "walk with us" and the sheriff did.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52865206

 

[Samson]

I doubt it will cause anything. This is because the protesters look like a herd of wild animals and behave like a herd. They don't have a leader or an idea to follow. The police will introduce provocateurs into the ranks of the protesters, who provoke the crowd to crimes - hooliganism, looting. The population will then perceive all the protesters as bandits. This is the easiest way to level any protest. That this would not happen we need a clear structure, hierarchy. Provocateurs need to be isolated. Put forward quite specific political demands. I don't see any of this. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm still on the other side of the globe, but it looks like this from the outside.

About the civil war - I don't like American imperialism either. In my country, it caused a civil war. But the proletarians of America have done me no harm. And civil war in a nuclear country is... I am glad that Ukraine got rid of nuclear weapons. Otherwise, the current apes would have already started a nuclear war.

I agree that there seems to be a lack of organisation. The police are able to drive vehicles right up to (and even into) the protests, and pull individuals out of large crowds. This is lacking insurgency 101, where are the flaming tire barricades and the protest unity?

 

[Joij21]

The police will introduce provocateurs into the ranks of the protesters, who provoke the crowd to crimes - hooliganism, looting

Is there any evidence of that happening here though? I feel that's more like something the police in an Eastern European nation would do, you know create a conspiracy against the public.

 

[Samson]

Is there any evidence of that happening here though? I feel that's more like something the police in an Eastern European nation would do, you know create a conspiracy against the public.

Just upthread, there was video of someone smashing the windows of autozone who was identified as a cop.

 

[Hrothbern]

I agree that there seems to be a lack of organisation. The police are able to drive vehicles right up to (and even into) the protests, and pull individuals out of large crowds. This is lacking insurgency 101, where are the flaming tire barricades and the protest unity?

With so many spontaneous new participants nothing will be organised. It is during daytime, before curfew, more peacefull also, individuals going in herd mode.
During curfew it looks organised to me, but not in some grand way.
No big hourlong more public discussions on the ground there. Everything wide open for agitators and adventurers.

But can something more coherent be expected ?

What it all does show I think is ANGER about the "whole situation".

But there is now no Martin Luther King or anybody or anything remotely near to pick that energy up towards something more articulated.

This will simply rage to exhaustion.

 

[Joij21]

Just upthread, there was video of someone smashing the windows of autozone who was identified as a cop.

It hasn't been confirmed yet.

EDIT: However if this is true than we have reached a new level of depravity in this nation. I've heard such tactics have been used by the KGB. So again if true then we might as well start all over again and make a brand new nation.

 

[Samson]

It hasn't been confirmed yet.

Not proof, but evidence.

 

[GyaruRespecter]

The police will introduce provocateurs into the ranks of the protesters

The sun will die off and all life on Earth will go extinct before people adopt an ounce of responsability for their misguided actions instead of blaming the SYSTEM for "forcing" or "tricking" them into burning everything down.

And it's very naive to think the 'proletariat' is an enlightened group that somehow is immunized from every single piece of blatant propaganda that comes out of American media and politicians. Hell, this entire riot is because they're completely blindingly loyal to their Cathedral.

 

[Красный Комиссар]

I agree that there seems to be a lack of organisation. The police are able to drive vehicles right up to (and even into) the protests, and pull individuals out of large crowds. This is lacking insurgency 101, where are the flaming tire barricades and the protest unity?

To ensure that the protesters were not a crowd, but an organized mass, you need to prepare. Very long preparation.
In the Russian Empire, the 1905 revolution was also suppressed by mobile detachments of Cossacks. They rode into the crowd on horseback and struck with swords and whips. The police also sent provocateurs. Although the protesters have been building since then, more than 100 years have passed. But the revolution of 1917 won. It was preceded by a very long preparation, the creation of underground organizations, etc.

Maidan in Ukraine also won. For its preparation, too, various organizations were created. 5 milliards of dollars were transferred from the United States to create "democratic institutions" in Ukrainian society. Employees of the SBU (counterintelligence service) were trained by the CIA, the military also studied in the United States. The coup was preceded by the actions "Ukraine without Kuchma" and the first Maidan. At the right moment, the security services and the army betrayed President Yanukovich, the masses of people came out on the square, and he had virtually no allies left. The media showed only one point of view - a Pro-Western one. (the current President was portrayed as a bloody tyrant, and savages throwing Molotov cocktails at the police were portrayed as innocent children.)

This is decades of preparation!

Ps: You can still like in Syria-the army is being introduced into a city that is held by several thousand protesters. Starts shooting. Destroys the entire block. Protesters take over another block. And so on until the city burns to the ground. Then they dig the catacombs and the positional war begins. But no one will like it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Nice hot take coming from Brazil of all places lmao.

Not a lot to do other than return the sentiment and wish he dies a violent death soon. <shrug>

 

[Joij21]

The protests/riots are mostly disorganized because the people participating in them see no reason to be organized. They're just waiting for the police to use lethal force on them by goading them into doing so. That's why they are burning buildings and looting, they want a response. If they were to attack the police first using insurgency tactics they would not have the moral high ground when the fighting begins. You need the morale high ground in a rebellion in order to counter the counter narrative of the reactionaries. A rebellion without the proper propaganda is a dead rebellion.

However there are some Trump militias who are threatening to shoot up the protesters first. Also some black supremacist militias are threatening to retaliate if the protesters are attacked. So if real bullets start flying then the actual militias will take to the streets and we will see helter skelter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(scenario)#Beatles_lyrics,_as_interpreted_by_Manson

 

[Traitorfish]

The protests/riots are mostly disorganized because the people participating in them see no reason to be organized. They're just waiting for the police to use lethal force on them by goading them into doing so. That's why they are burning buildings and looting, they want a response. If they were to attack the police first using insurgency tactics they would not have the moral high ground when the fighting begins. You need the morale high ground in a rebellion in order to counter the counter narrative of the reactionaries. A rebellion without the proper propaganda is a dead rebellion.

I'm sorry, to clarify, you think that the reason these events are disorganised is because the people involved have collectively, spontaneously, decided that they want the police to shoot them dead, because this will make a good talking point for somebody else at a later date?

And you think this is a... good take?

 

[Bugfatty300]

However there are some Trump militias who are threatening to shoot up the protesters first.

Mostly cowards and pretend tough guys. They bought a rifle to look cool on facebook and LARP at safe police protected protests.

 

[Estebonrober]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the cozy Uncle Sam thinks he own the monopoly of poverty or suffering! As usual! You wouldn't last a day in our middle class, let alone the lower class.

Let me guess, your school was an evil white male indoctrination center because it didn't teach you about critical gender theory at an early age and such?


True, but that's not the point. The point is that they're being robbed and destroyed by a barbarian mob of thieves and lynchers, and American politicians are going BEYOND just ignoring them but also elevating them to the point of national heroes in speeches. If the woman you mentioned was actually considered a thief, yeah, I follow you. But was she?

How many times do you need to be put on a pedestal and worshipped by the Status Quo before you're able to destroy the Status Quo?

WTH do you think you are talking about? The politicians here, all of them, are agaisnt the vandalism and looting (or finding of goods if you're white).

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/31/ilhan-omar-george-floyd-protests-291722

But the congresswoman also attributed much of the destruction to people “not interested in protecting black lives.” Setting fires risks the community that people claim to be standing for, Omar said, adding: “There are people who exploited the pain that communities are feeling and ignite violence.“

Some on social media are for the looting and burning sure, but neither party is vocalizing that so I'm not sure what "status quo" you are talking about. Frankly I'm hearing the same kind of conservative crying we see here all the time. Which is not a surprise conservatives everywhere seem to be huge cry babies.

 

[Gorbles]

Estebonrober - I wouldn't bother too much with someone who apparently believes a religious monarchy is some kind of decent system of governance

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Evidence of the Minneapolis PD slashing tires. Video footage further down the thread.

Apparently curfews are being / have been announced something like 15 minutes in advance? Surely that's an unfair amount of time to expect even a peaceful crowd to disperse?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

One thing that has struck me about these protests and riots is the sense that they had to happen. At first I just chalked this attitude up to my reddit bubble but then I saw commentary on PBS Newshour by a notable conservative talking head that confessed the same. It's pretty obvious from the reaction that Kapernick got from taking a knee that much of white America was not going to tolerate any dissent from African Americans which in turn made violent unrest inevitable. We have fully reaped what we have sown in that regard.

I am also reminded of the Ferguson riots in that once again, the media is portraying these riots as all-consuming in the communities in which they are happening. Then, as now, you would have thought the entirety of St Louis had been burned to the ground which is not the case. This also does a massive disservice to the protestors who have not turned violent and also overlooks the massively disproportional response of the police to protests. When police immediately confront all protests by people of color with riot gear, tear gas and MRAPs*, while they took a decidedly non-confrontational stance against armed white protestors in the same cities only weeks ago, you begin to think that violent rioting was what the police wanted in this situation.

There have been credible reports of police dressing up as protestors and then engaging in vandalism to start rioting in order to justify the heavy police response. One photo journalist has permanently lost sight in one of their eyes due to being fired on by police, other news crews have been arrested and fired on with paintball rounds filled with mace, protestors have been trampled by horse and in other instances run over by police SUVs. And again this is contrasted to scenes just weeks ago of armed white protestors being allowed to occupy statehouses and acting in a threatening manner while spreading covid and also blocking traffic into hospitals which the President egged on even as he now tweets violent messages against the new protest.

So yeah, this round of rioting was overdo. We have two separate societies within America working under different rules and as Lincoln said, 'A house divided against itself cannot stand'.

*Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected - these are armored vehicles that were developed for use in Afghanistan against the Taliban which are now deployed against American civilians. Well, not all American civilians. If you're white and show up with guns you won't have to face down MRAPs but if you're black or brown and carrying a sign then you will.

 

[GyaruRespecter]

Estebonrober - I wouldn't bother too much with someone who apparently believes a religious monarchy is some kind of decent system of governance

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Evidence of the Minneapolis PD slashing tires. Video footage further down the thread.

Apparently curfews are being / have been announced something like 15 minutes in advance? Surely that's an unfair amount of time to expect even a peaceful crowd to disperse?

This truly is the Reddit Revolution.

At first I just chalked this attitude up to my reddit bubble

Don't worry, you're still in it.