[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[cardgame]

They're also very good at being tribal asshats.

And the pattern-finding lets me identify what tribe people are quite easily with the use of just a few commonly shared words (and context, but even that isn't always necessary).

It's basically the same concept as a wordcloud.

 

[Farm Boy]

That sounds like a feces input feces output sort of situation.

Are you agreeing with Manfred's claim here?

Are you saying that my individual case does not disprove his idea in at least a general sense?

Are you just being "cryptic with an air of disagreement" for some other reason?

I don't know what any preponderance of people is if they aren't talking at any given moment, but people get really old with their bin sorting.

It's been like a decade, but I remember arguing that poly's should be able to get married and I suddenly had several people divining that I suddenly was opposed to queer marriage in general and had been lying about everything up until that point. I should probably try to forget it, but being called a liar is top 2 insult. I don't have many better words to designate negative value in human form. Even tried to play along for a while, but it's a pretty destructive mindset for me. Maybe violent men find it more amusing. Perhaps the words are foreplay for the main event. And we have a lot of that sort of interaction play out over and over with different people over the years. We're not special, it's everywhere, but it's still just so. fudging. bleh.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The majority of the NFL is black. Public opinion at large might not even be their primary concern.

That doesn't stop it from doing things widely unpopular to its players in other contexts. That organization consistently says whatever it thinks will be its best PR. Nothing more or less. What it does is of course not always consistent with what it says.

 

[Syno]

That sounds like a feces input feces output sort of situation.



I don't know what any preponderance of people is if they aren't talking at any given moment, but people get really old with their bin sorting.

It's been like a decade, but I remember arguing that poly's should be able to get married and I suddenly had several people divining that I suddenly was opposed to queer marriage in general and had been lying about everything up until that point. I should probably try to forget it, but being called a liar is top 2 insult. I don't have many better words to designate negative value in human form. Even tried to play along for a while, but it's a pretty destructive mindset for me. Maybe violent men find it more amusing. Perhaps the words are foreplay for the main event. And we have a lot of that sort of interaction play out over and over with different people over the years. We're not special, it's everywhere, but it's still just so. *******. bleh.

Remembering something that happened on CFC ten years ago is the weirdest part of that post.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Remembering something that happened on CFC ten years ago is the weirdest part of that post.

Definitely a normal thing

 

[Gorbles]

I don't have a particular problem with what traitorfish said in his last post. But people lighting fires in urban areas are usually pretty good examples of costs be damned stupid pricks. The pieces of **** that have been cooped up that just ran out long enough to loot booze are stupid pricks. The chicken hawks that can't even sort out well meaning advice on how to protest, because the thought never actually occurred to them.

We weren't talking about lighting fires in urban areas. Moriarte was talking about the burning of (the) institution of the police to the ground. Not a specific building.

 

[Hygro]

Remembering something that happened on CFC ten years ago is the weirdest part of that post.

And not weird at all.

 

[bernie14]

I know this is a persecuted stance and sarcastic but no its not okay to shoot at cops, or anyone for that matter.

I imagine that, as a police officer, if the mindset is that of feeling persecuted, serious consideration should be given to whether one should continue on that career path. The assumption being that the vast majority of citizens are in fact law abiding.

Humans are very, very good at finding patterns

So generalizing, categorizing and assuming. Yes, I agree

LOL...no, clearly incorrect.

My views on violence are totally out of step here and always have been and I am not on any "list of disapproved persons."

Charisma, lack of remorse an salesmanship are qualities of leadership

 

[Estebonrober]

Oppression of opposing opinions most certainly happens on these forums in the form of bullying. I don't feel its happened to me personally, its certainly happened to other members here. There's intolerance to diversity of thought here, there can be no doubt about that. I'm not offended by peoples comments on here by the way, I have witnessed some of the nastiness and bullying tactics towards members who have dissenting opinions to the status quo, but that seems OK with you because online bullying is not the same as what minorities go through....



When you use blanket statements like Cloud_Strife does and "wish harm to all police officers, all Republican party voters/supporters, all rich white people" or claim "there all bigots" that's implicit bias. When you racially stereotype white people by assuming they have privilege, that's implicit bias. The thing is I don't really mind if anyone says these things either, I'm not offended by it, I'm just after actual equality which requires equal responsibility, its a step in the right direction for true equality. You only seem to want equality when it suits...its counterfeit equality, it's not justice, its revenge.



Disliking bigots is not an implicit bias, you are fully aware of and have good reason why you don't like bigots, implicit bias is unconscious judgement or association of a group. Your reasoning makes no sense?

The problem with your reasoning is that you assume I agree with you that ALL police, Republican supporters/voters, and rich white people are bigots, I'm using these examples as these are the groups of people you regularly have a problem with on this forum, this is where your implicit bias comes into play. Do bigots exist within those groups of people, of course they do, but your stereotyping that entire group, which is the very thing you claim to be against.

denial of reality will always equal denial of equality. If you do not understand the concept of white privilege do yourself a favor and read into past your own biases. That way when you post garbage like this it would not be so clear you never have challenged your own biases.

Censorship of overtly racist garbage is not oppression. You seem to think it is. Bullying online is a stupid concept when the people being bullied are generally advocating garbage positions like “race realism” or “white identity positions”.

 

[Estebonrober]

Won't anyone think of the race realists and the authoritarian bootlickers? Truly, their plight goes unnoticed in the marketplace of ideas.

Lol you beat me to the punch back about his whining.

 

[aelf]

It's been like a decade, but I remember arguing that poly's should be able to get married and I suddenly had several people divining that I suddenly was opposed to queer marriage in general and had been lying about everything up until that point. I should probably try to forget it, but being called a liar is top 2 insult. I don't have many better words to designate negative value in human form. Even tried to play along for a while, but it's a pretty destructive mindset for me. Maybe violent men find it more amusing. Perhaps the words are foreplay for the main event. And we have a lot of that sort of interaction play out over and over with different people over the years. We're not special, it's everywhere, but it's still just so. *******. bleh.

It wasn't a decade ago, and the way you approached the topic was by being somewhat hostile to some pro-gay marriage movement because it wasn't advocating for polygamous marriages as well.

 

[zxcvbob]

The two Buffalo police officers who pushed the old man down, then left him to die after he hit his head on the cement (he didn't die but they didn't know that at the time) have been charged with 2nd degree assault. That's a felony; a more severe one than it sounds like.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ah one of those, it was 7 years not 10, and by claiming they weren't doing as much as they should be, you're somewhat hostile to the movement. W/e liar.

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[aelf]

I'm not lying. Your tone was kinda dodge (precisely like now, except you applied it to your argument). You were arguing with a few others as well.

 

[H4run]

I don't know. I hit my fill of violent men in the world every now and then and have to check out. They're everywhere, particularly on television and the internet. I'd say you fit right in. I almost never pull up my own netflix account anymore, almost never watch it so it shows a listing of popular in America or whatever, it's usually depressing.

Not agreeing in the context that it fits Tim, sometime I read his violent description as sarcasm and metaphoric. However I agree with you that some show is surely desensitizing.

 

[Farm Boy]

Ok, it was slightly over 7 years, and no "my tone being kind of dodge" is bullfeces.

 

[Hakim]

It sounds incorrect to me. According to the FBI, there were 48 police officers killed in the line of duty in 2019 from felonious activities. Also, according to https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ in 2019 there were approximately 264 black people killed by police. I'm sure it's pretty similar for other years as well. How anyone could arrive from that to the conclusion that a police officer is 18 times more likely to be killed by a black person than it is for a black person to be killed by a police officer, would be a mystery to me. It sounds highly unlikely. Are you sure you heard or read them correctly? Otherwise, it sounds like a false rumor.

It's a bad comparison. The ratio figure is possible because there are a lot more of "a black person" then there are police officers. A more correct comparison would be black persons killed by police vs other persons killed by police - and that number would still not be comparable since total number of black persons is less than total number of other persons.

 

[H4run]

It's a bad comparison. The ratio figure is possible because there are a lot more of "a black person" then there are police officers. A more correct comparison would be black persons killed by police vs other persons killed by police - and that number would still not be comparable since total number of black persons is less than total number of other persons.

The origin of this is a needless statistical acrobat to seek justification of the police brutality toward black people.

You may track the origin of the argument, that is from @Yeekim when he raised a question over a "statistical claim" that said today "it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person".

What conclusion that we can draw from such "fact"?

For the police, killing black people is a self-defense necessity, in fact the "statistic" show that the police has gone soft, and they are currently get butchered by the black community 18 times more than before.

If anyone argued that the USians police are too violent over black community, "the statistical fact argued" that the police are not violent enough. Not kill enough. They already handle it soft, too soft even.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The tree is rotten, the basis on which cops operate is inherently flawed and discriminatory and reform simply can't change that fact

Which reminds me of the "just a few bad apples" defense we constantly hear to excuse the police as an institution... which is ironic... because the "bad apple" expression comes from the old saying... "One bad apple, spoils the bunch", based on the idea that a moldy, rotten, diseased piece of fruit, if allowed to remain in the bag or barrel, will spread its rot to all the rest of the fruit in the container.

So every time I hear someone calling the latest police-brutality-du-jour a case of those officers involved just being "a few bad apples"... I always think to myself... "Yeah, and ONE bad apple spoils the bunch"... so by making the "bad apple" argument, they are ironically proving our point.

 

[Imaus]

Some potentially uplifting news:

In Buffalo, in light of the incident which downed a 75 year old long-time activist who is still in the hospital:

"The officers, Robert McCabe and Aaron Torgalski, turned themselves in this morning, according to Erie County District Attorney John Flynn. They were arraigned in virtual court proceedings at Buffalo City Court. Both were released on their own recognizance, the local NBC affiliate WIVB reported Saturday."

Some concerning news: their whole unit resigned in protest because the Police Union decided to not pay for the fees of the two, filtering back to the main force, a whole lotta cops and firemen (seriously why the fudge are firemen sorted with the cops so much in this country) basically surrounded the courthouse, the police are all around that block.

If the two are convicted, they might get up to 7 years.

Oh and Stefan Mychajliw can fudge off with that statement.