[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Cloud_Strife]

Yup, I guess civil war is the only way to create long-term change. You need to start turning on conservatives in your society like this guy who wrote that letter. A second American Civil War where you go Sherman on Republican regions.

At least a quarter to a third of this country think we've gone too far in giving PoC, LGBTQ, women etc equal rights.

They are irredeemable and dragging the rest of us back; they will never accept responsibility or change because they fundamentally don't view people who aren't like them as human beings.

I dont' like conservatives or Republicans, but the difference between me and them is that im not actively trying to harm them physically, psychologically, materially, legally or legislatively; but they are doing all of those to me and other communities and im sick of being told by priviledged people who can't seem to grasp that, that i should be polite or try to win these people over when they'll never see me as a full human being equally deserving of rights just like they are.

It's 2020 and if you're still a conservative it's because you've internalized this and are willing to accept the above but not only that, you think it's an acceptable trade off for whatever monetary gains you might recieve, which speaks volumes about you and your moral compass and how willing you are to trample on others to get that extra 0.1%.

Utter sociopathy and it's time we start treating these people as what they are and stop making excuses for their selfishness and lack of basic humanity for others who differ to them, same with any and everyone who votes GOP: voting for conservatives and republicans is a hostile, aggressive act and we should be vigilant and enact our own defense when possible.

Confront them, shame them, ostracize them, abandon them even if they are family or friends and let them feel as those they have aggressed upon feel; nothing else beyond a decrease in their material lot will ever convince them to change, they've been given decades to change, they've been given the benefit of the doubt, after all that has transpired we shouldn't continue to lie to them or ourselves and we shouldn't bend over backwards to accomodate their harmful beliefs or acts.

 

[aelf]

I just think, realistically-speaking, you gotta fight. Not actively trying to harm conservatives won't cut it if you want something significant to change in the next few decades.

You can wait for them to die off as well, I guess. Probably what most people would opt for, and I guess I can't blame them. It's hard to turn your back on the comforts of modern life and upend your life for a cause.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I just think, realistically-speaking, you gotta fight. Not actively trying to harm conservatives won't cut it if you want something significant to change in the next few decades.

You can wait for them to die off as well, I guess. Probably what most people would opt for, and I guess I can't blame them. It's hard to turn your back on the comforts of modern life and upend your life for a cause.

We've tried playing nice with them and look where that got us, we shouldn't be passive no more.

 

[Kozmos]

I saw video of a cop knocking an old man with a cane to the ground

That's what happens when you put an IQ cap on who can join the local goon squad.

Really the best basic policy is to continue sitdowns until businesses start complaining to the people in charge that their bottom lines are affected.

 

[aelf]

Most people will be passive, though. The best case scenario right now is the current situation will lead to some reforms in some places. But the long term trajectory of very gradual transformation will be maintained. Very long term with no certainty, while the body count of death by police will quietly continue elsewhere, if not in the same places. Not to mention the decline of the country in meantime, if you care about things like standards of living and the economy.

Things don't change so quickly without a real upheaval.

 

[r16]

so , ı look up some blog ı check weekly or so and what's up and all that ? Naturally to get clicks to get ads he must be like at least balanced . 4 articles or whatever , one on the 1807 riot act thing , one on US Army helicopters trying their hand at public suppression . ı wouldn't use a Red Cross carrying medevac chopper , not because my helicopters carry the Red Crescent , but you know , rules ... And yet , didn't Templiers have their cross in Red ? One article on the Langley boys escorting BSS across the street to church with a sniper gun . (Have told the Museums Command to find me some 20mm anti-tank rifle from WW ll , so that my personal entourage can show off , too . Expect an arms race and beware , we will not shy of towed 155mm as well !) One article on computerized rifle sights , with which you can shoot down quadcopter drones droning over you . One on a plane that drops "irradiated bugs on LA" , turns out these are sterilized insects that do a swell job of cutting down infestations and the like . Yet , the top of the page , some radiation dedecting helicopter currently over DC ... Now , Cubans are the best people to ask whether Americans have been ever dumping radiocative waste from planes , offshore and downwind , even before Agent Orange affairs in Vietnam . Yeah , there are fools out of America who can imagine things , but it would obviously be Zika flies or whatever .

and the radiation helicopter has been naturally explained as a routine mapping operation , because when something bad happens or is about to happen , you would need a template of the normal situation to track the anomalies . (You know , Predator the movie like personal force field cloaked operatives on the ground !)

trump is obviously an idiot and he has been a prime example of an idiot during his tenure , despite achieving stuff as well . Why does he act like a Third World dictator , risking real trouble along the way ? All third world dictators routinely oppress people and escalate when they look like losing . They get away with it , if they are cool to America . They don't, if America comes and bombs them . lt's something about the vaccine , which could and should have happened , like April 1st . lnstead of being a liar (which he can really do well) and falsely promsing things he just keeps it up , escalates . This is becoming real , scary and annoying , Trump fearful of answering to American Deep State . There is no such thing . The Deep State was an insult in Turkey , the usual range of criminals operating as if they were serving the country . New Turkey ineptitude only made the phrase cool enough to be stolen . This is becoming real for Trump , he will pay any looters real good .

 

[hobbsyoyo]

If he rolls the army I think it might be on all of us able to march against them. plague or not

The secretary of defense called the protests a 'battlespace' and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs walked through DC in his battle dress uniform. The administration has requested reservists from multiple states around DC and the governors refused. Trump has threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act to enable the deployment of active duty military personnel to protest zones and is trying to designate protestors terrorists while his sycophants in Congress call them as much in press conferences. Point being, they are already maneuvering to deploy the army on the people while they dehumanize them in the public sphere even if it hasn't reached Tienanmen Square levels of atrocity yet.

If the GOP in the Senate does not step up to curtail Trump, things can descend into a really dark place in short order.

 

[Syno]

I might be wrong but 1 out of 2 demand in the the point of "law/institutional reformation" also not quite technically clear, what part of the law or police institution they want to alter, adjust or abolish? Isn't it should be made specific?

Unless we're operating under the assumption that these protesters are going to literally overthrow the government, this seems like an unreasonable ask of them. They're fighting back against a systemic injustice that has been exacted against them for centuries in some shape or form. Why is it up to them to provide the solution on a silver platter? Up until now their generational effort has been towards survival. Rioting is messy and chaotic, it's an explosive release of energy, but even if the protests were peaceful through and through, I'm not sure it should be the protest's responsibility to actively fix the problem in the back-end.

 

[EgonSpengler]

[...]things can descend into a really dark place in short order.

The Washington Post - "CIA veterans who monitored crackdowns abroad see troubling parallels in Trump's handling of protests", June 2, 2020

The scenes have been disturbingly familiar to CIA analysts accustomed to monitoring scenes of societal unraveling abroad — the massing of protesters, the ensuing crackdowns and the awkwardly staged displays of strength by a leader determined to project authority.

In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.

[...]

Former intelligence officials said the unrest and the administration’s militaristic response are among many measures of decay they would flag if writing assessments about the United States for another country’s intelligence service.

 

[Commodore]

If he rolls the army I think it might be on all of us able to march against them. plague or not

I made a promise on this very forum years ago that if it ever came to something like that, I'm prepared to put political differences aside and do what needs to be done. I still stand by that promise. Martial law and troops being used against the people is not supposed to be what this country is about and I refuse to let it happen unchallenged.

About a year ago I even bought body armor with steel plates that are rated to stop up to a 7.62 round as well as armor piercing rounds for my AR. My wife asked me at the time what I thought I was going to need those for. I think the answer to that question is becoming pretty clear now.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I made a promise on this very forum years ago that if it ever came to something like that, I'm prepared to put political differences aside and do what needs to be done. I still stand by that promise. Martial law and troops being used against the people is not supposed to be what this country is about and I refuse to let it happen unchallenged.

About a year ago I even bought body armor with steel plates that are rated to stop up to a 7.62 round as well as armor piercing rounds for my AR. My wife asked me at the time what I thought I was going to need those for. I think the answer to that question is becoming pretty clear now.

God speed, warrior.

 

[Commodore]

God speed, warrior.

Hopefully I won't be standing alone.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Hopefully I won't be standing alone.

I can't fight in any capacity or go near any of the big protests where gas is being used, my lungs are fudged (asthma) so i have to be careful, but i am handing out supplies where i can and organizing

 

[Commodore]

I can't fight in any capacity or go near any of the big protests where gas is being used, my lungs are ****ed (asthma) so i have to be careful, but i am handing out supplies where i can and organizing

We all fight in our own ways. Every bit of support anyone can provide is valuable.

 

[cardgame]

I genuinely thought it couldn't happen here, and that buying body armor was incredibly dumb, just last month. moreso in 'americans too apathetic and cush to meaningfully do anything about it' than the police state itself, but still. how quickly the world turns.

 

[red_elk]

Having watched the videos of police violence, I sympathize to the movement, but I still think the current wave of protests won't achieve much.

 

[cardgame]

I don't know, many of the privilege-libs who got involved because it looks good to care about social justice are now really truly emotionally invested and passionate about it because they went from innocent inexperienced 'ally' to a member of the police brutality victims.

in other words, take your average white person -> protests -> gets maced or shot for no reason -> radicalized

now they're spreading the word about ACAB to all their friends who never would have been taken in by ACAB ideology before this happened.

 

[AmazonQueen]

The secretary of defense called the protests a 'battlespace' and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs walked through DC in his battle dress uniform. The administration has requested reservists from multiple states around DC and the governors refused. Trump has threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act to enable the deployment of active duty military personnel to protest zones and is trying to designate protestors terrorists while his sycophants in Congress call them as much in press conferences. Point being, they are already maneuvering to deploy the army on the people while they dehumanize them in the public sphere even if it hasn't reached Tienanmen Square levels of atrocity yet.

If the GOP in the Senate does not step up to curtail Trump, things can descend into a really dark place in short order.

A county from Virginia withdrew its police from DC after they were used for Trump's photo op.
The Park Service had requested their aid (!) and the county didn't even know they'd sent officers or what they were being used for. No DC police took part in that operation.

 

[H4run]

Having watched the videos of police violence, I sympathize to the movement, but I still think the current wave of protests won't achieve much.

There are too many effort, sacrifices and causalities to satisfied with freaking nothing. This kind of momentum might not happened in every 10 years. The death of Floyd and others before him; the mobilization of the masses, the super incompetence of the current leadership, the peak of police corruption, all of those calamities in addition with the support from media (and arguably international world) created a perfect momentum for change, if this event end up as a waste, then nothing would ever change in the far future.

Increasing the pressure to the government with a very clear and articulate demand is the only way out. Depend on the circumstances the opposition might come in support and more key figures would support the cause as it goes. This is the battle of patience and perseverance. Just keep on not blinking!

 

[Arwon]

I don't know, many of the privilege-libs who got involved because it looks good to care about social justice are now really truly emotionally invested and passionate about it because they went from innocent inexperienced 'ally' to a member of the police brutality victims.

in other words, take your average white person -> protests -> gets maced or shot for no reason -> radicalized

now they're spreading the word about ACAB to all their friends who never would have been taken in by ACAB ideology before this happened.

There's a fascinating shift happening in some of the commercial media outlets that have been attacked, too. I'm not gonna call them radicalised, but how often would a milquetoast organisation like CNN formerly have given basically an extended open mic to, say, Cornell West before they personally were attacked.

Getting centrist media to openly show that police deliberately hurt innocent people, start mass violence, and make stuff up, may turn out to have been one of the bigger things the cops messed up here.