Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
Do you have a credible source other than "Someone claimed"? If not then "I'm too drunk to check" seems like a pretty weaksauce excuse for posting the claim.
Even putting that aside... I'll add that even if that was true, its irrelevant, UNLESS, there were less than 18 times more black people in the country than police officers (there aren't)... AND, the rate that police officers stopped, pursued, attempted to arrest etc., black people was equal, per-capita, to whites (it isn't). In other words... if the police are disproportionately more likely to engage in confrontations with black people because of racism (which they are), then obviously they will have more negative outcomes with black people... and there are more non-police than there are police, so in pure math terms... it makes sense that it would be more frequent for non-police to kill police than vice-versa.
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
"More likely" is a strange word to use since it's such an apple-to-oranges situation. By analogy, "a bear-tamer is going to be 18x more likely to be injured by a bear than a bear is likely to be injured by a bear-tamer."
It's because most bears are wild and don't seek confrontation with bear-tamers BUT bear-tamers actively seek confrontation with bears. It's a wild population being compared to a contained population.
My suspicion is that it's a statistic intended to score points. I mean, we knew that, but even if it's a true statistic, it doesn't pass you sniff test because it's bad math. I read it a few times, though, and it's also pretty unspecific as to what they're referring to. Like, is a ratio of caused deaths? Is it a ratio of likelihood of dying?
Interestingly, two of the officers charged appear to have been absolute rookies:
Star Tribune said:
Defense attorneys said Kueng, 26, of Plymouth was working his third shift ever as a full-time officer and Lane, 37, of St. Paul was working his fourth day as a full-time officer on the day they encountered Floyd.
I knew about Lane but not Kueng. They need to be convicted of a felony as well and lose their peace officer credentials, as a warning to anyone else thinking about joining MPD. The leniency can come at sentencing (just for the rookies, the veterans should receive maximum sentences)
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
There is your source and everything about it is stupid and racist by nature. gg I mean you can literally gfy with this kind of statistics manipulation. I really love the part about how blacks are more criminal then any other people. . . no they're not, they are just convicted more because of urban density, prosecutor discretion, and **** defense. I'm reminded that none of them have managed to steal the retirement funds of thousands or the homes of thousands and paid millions for the crime. . . some of those criminals run our Treasury Dept.
The NFL is about as trustworthy in this context as it ever is when making any statement managing its image/perception. If the national opinion shifted again tomorrow I'd bet $$$ the NFL would release yet another statement about how it supports our patriotic military or whatever it felt would make people think more highly of it and that it apologize for what it said today.
Why didn't they physically intervene? Senior officer or not, if you see him literally murdering a suspect, you shove him off and let another officer finish making the arrest.
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
Unless there is a reference to be scrutinized, such kind of statement can be ignored, from the wording itself we can already know who stated and for what aim.
To me you seem to be implying that there were almost no black people at the protests which isn't true.
If you accept that isn't true I'm glad to hear it.
I'm under no obligation to answer for what you imagine I'm implying. Go back and read what my initial comment was, and what it was in response to (I believe I quoted it so it should all be in one handy post) - you should be able to work out what I was actually saying with relative ease.
The NFL is about as trustworthy in this context as it ever is when making any statement managing its image/perception. If the national opinion shifted again tomorrow I'd bet $$$ the NFL would release yet another statement about how it supports our patriotic military or whatever it felt would make people think more highly of it and that it apologize for what it said today.
I see fifty-seven Buffalo New York policemen quit the force in solidarity with the guys who pushed that old guy over. Good. I hope they never get their jobs back.
Someone claimed today that it is 18 times more likely for a policeman in US to be killed by a black person, than it is for a black person to be killed by a policeman. Does not pass the smell test for me, but I'm a bit too drunk atm to properly check the numbers.
Has anyone got a credible source for what the actual figures might look like?
I see fifty-seven Buffalo New York policemen quit the force in solidarity with the guys who pushed that old guy over. Good. I hope they never get their jobs back.
As someone else pointed out, there is probably more to it than "in solidarity with the guys". Either they knew they were going to fired anyway, or they decided the profession of being a police officer right now is just not worth the risks. In other words, from a moral point of view, I don't think that the motivation behind them quitting.
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