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GoobNES02: The Cold Civil War

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Goober, May 2, 2006.

  1. alex994

    alex994 Hail Divine Emperor!

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    Not all of us measure "great potential" as in killing tons of people and being a country of destruction :p Some of us are more concerned bringing better lives to their citizens and their neighbors ;) Of course considering your own record as India.... :mischief:
     
  2. Kamilian

    Kamilian Deity

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    as a lurker and possible soon-to-be new member of this NES, let's not fight over who did what in a different NES but rather let's fight over land, resources, and world domination in this NES!
     
  3. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    Still waiting for that PM you were supposed to send me Goober.
     
  4. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    I have to agree with Silver. You did not do as much as you could. Though, I wouldn't exactly agree with Silver's definitions of great and such though.

    Had you exercised a little more muscle, and spent your money on better things, you could have been great.
     
  5. Stormbringer

    Stormbringer The Brick and The Rose

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    I would remind all involved that Alex did win the last GooberNES. I think it would be inappropriate for the rest to tell him how to play.
     
  6. tommy_toon

    tommy_toon Emperor

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    From Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India
    To Barry Goldwater, President of the Confederate States of America

    We are pleased that you have allowed additional freedoms to the former colonies of Portugal and Spain, however it seems that not all of these people wish to be passed around like currency. We have heard reports of armed uprisings and anti-CAN movements within Mozambique, and are curious as to what actions you will take. Whatever you choose upon, we will be monitoring the situation closely.
     
  7. conehead234

    conehead234 Braves on the Warpath

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    Goober, I will get the orders in tonight, I had computer troubles the past couple days, and haven't had time to do them.
     
  8. JosefStalinator

    JosefStalinator Я буду снова здесь

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    Coulda fooled me...

    To India
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    We are doing all within our power to improve the conditions of the various colonies recently placed under our control, but still must respect the wishes and desires of our allies in Spain and Portugal to keep their colonies under CAN control. As such, for now, we have no choice but to attempt to maintain stability under colonial rule.
     
  9. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    Criticism, if constructive, never hurt anyone. Infact, it only encourages them to grow. ;)
     
  10. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    Following an announcement to the nations of the International Treaty Organization, the United States hereby declares a complete economic embargo upon the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. All US grain shipments, aswell as shipments of high technology, are thus suspended, as is the rest of US-USSR trade.

    The United States also issues a formal condemnation of the Soviet aggression in Yugoslavia, and its oppression of democracy and the peoples of Yugoslavia.

    We urge our allies within the ITO to follow the example of our declaration, and issue their own.

     
  11. Stormbringer

    Stormbringer The Brick and The Rose

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    In connection with the events in Yugoslavia the question of the correlation and interdependence of the national interests of the socialist countries and their international duties acquire particular topical and acute importance. The measures taken by the Soviet Union, jointly with other socialist countries, in defending the socialist gains of the Yugoslavian people are of great significance for strengthening the socialist community, which is the main achievement of the international working class.

    We cannot ignore the assertions, held in some places, that the actions of the five socialist countries run counter to the principle of sovereignty and the rights of nations to self determination. The groundlessness of such reasoning consists primarily in that it is based on an abstract, nonclass approach to the question of sovereignty and the rights of nations to self determination.

    The peoples of the socialist countries and Communist parties certainly do have and should have freedom for determining the ways of advance of their respective countries.

    However, none of their decisions should damage either socialism in their country or the fundamental interests of other socialist countries, and the whole working class movement, which is working for socialism.

    This means that each Communist Party is responsible not only to its own people, but also to all the socialist countries, to the entire Communist movement. Whoever forget this, in stressing only the independence of the Communist Party, becomes one-sided. He deviates from his international duty.

    Marxist dialectics are opposed to one-sidedness. They demand that each phenomenon be examined concretely, in general connection with other phenomena, with other processes.

    Just as, in Lenin's words, a man living in a society cannot be free from the society, one or another socialist state, staying in a system of other states composing the socialist community, cannot be free from the common interests of that community.

    The sovereignty of each socialist country cannot be opposed to the interests of the world of socialism, of the world revolutionary movement. Lenin demanded that all Communists fight against small nation narrow-mindedness, seclusion and isolation, consider the whole and the general, subordinate the particular to the general interest.

    The socialist states respect the democratic norms of international law. They have proved this more than once in practice, by coming out resolutely against the attempts of imperialism to violate the sovereignty and independence of nations.

    It is from these same positions that they reject the leftist, adventurist conception of "exporting revolution," of "bringing happiness" to other peoples.

    However, from a Marxist point of view, the norms of law, including the norms of mutual relations of the socialist countries, cannot be interpreted narrowly, formally, and in isolation from the general context of class struggle in the modern world. The socialist countries resolutely come out against the exporting and importing of counterrevolution.

    Each Communist Party is free to apply the basic principles of Marxism, Leninism and of socialism in its country, but it cannot depart from these principles.

    Concretely this means, first of all, that in its activity, each Communist Party cannot but take into account such a decisive fact of our time as the struggle between two opposing social systems -- capitalism and socialism.

    This is an objective struggle, a fact not depending on the will of the people, and stipulated by the world's being split into two opposite social systems. Lenin said: "Each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."

    It has got to be emphasized that when a socialist country seems to adopt a "non-affiliated" stand, it retains its national independence, in effect, precisely because of the might of the socialist community, and above all the Soviet Union as a central force, which also includes the might of its armed forces. The weakening of any of the links in the world system of socialism directly affects all the socialist countries, which cannot look indifferently upon this.

    The antisocialist elements in Yugoslavia actually covered up the demand for so-called neutrality and Yugoslavia's withdrawal from the socialist community with talking about the right of nations to self-determination.

    However, the implementation of such "self-determination," in other words, Yugoslavia's detachment from the socialist community, would have come into conflict with its own vital interests and would have been detrimental to the other socialist states.

    Such "self-determination," as a result of which NATO troops would have been able to come very close to the Soviet border, while the community of European socialist countries would have been split, in effect encroaches upon the vital interests of the peoples of these countries and conflicts, as the very root of it, with the right of these people to socialist self-determination.

    Discharging their internationalist duty toward the fraternal peoples of Yugoslavia and defending their own socialist gains, the USSR and the other socialist states had to act decisively and they did act against the antisocialist forces in Yugoslavia.


    The capitalist countries of the West responded to the restoration of socialist sovereignty in Yugoslavia with due disappointment, as their plans to export the counterrevolution and to strip the people of Yugoslavia of their gains have failed. The working class has once again emerged victorious to the dissatisfaction of the imperialist countries of the West.

    These countries further use this victory of socialism as a means to further escalate the conflict that is going on throughout the world between the Communist amd Capitalist systems of developement. Using false accusations of unilateralism and imerialism the Western countries seek to bring this conflict into a new, much more severe phase.

    They have, for years now, tried to undermine the developments of the Socialist countries and to stifle the growth of Socialism while threatening the very existance of the Socialist system. They have installed nuclear missiles all around the Socialist countries and have to remilitarize Germany and Japan in an effort to encircle the Soviet Union. If that were not enough their governments continue to oprress and exploit their own people, and the people of other countries.

    The West has issues accusations against us, but the people of the Socialist World laugh at such accusations. Countries that endorse genoside of Muslims in the Philippines, kill millions of civilians in Vietnam and neighboring countries while trying to prop up an imerpialist regime, and support an occupation of Arabs in the Middle East are the ones who need to be held accountable.

    Since it is clear that these Western countries are willing to tolerate and conduct atrocities themselves it becomes clear that their accusations against the USSR are nothing more than a provokation and a cover for further escalation of the Cold War.


    The USSR, however, will not give in to this provokation. We always have, and we will continue to work for peace and security in this world. We will continue to reach out to other nations to achieve these goals, as well as to provide stable economic support to all countries and to help the working people of the World.

    In light of this continued cooperation the USSR is glad to announce the expantion of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance. Today we are welcoming the following countries into the organization: Afghanistan, Algeria, Benin, Bolivia, Cambodia, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Cuba, Egypt, Ghana, Guinea, Iran, Jordan, Laos, Liberia, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Mongolia, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, Senegal, Sierra Leon, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Vietnam, and Zambia. The people of these countries from all over the World will come together and help eachother in the quest to become strong and self-sufficient economies that benefit all the members of society.

    But our cooperation does not stop there. It is evident that the first problem facing the Socialist movement and the progress of the working class is instability and chaos. The working people are the least protected and so are the first victims of instability. In order to fight instability and promote the interests of the working class the USSR announces the creation of the Organization for World Peace and Security. As always the USSR will reach out to incorporate as many countries as possible in the framework of the organization, with the current members being Albania, Benin, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Egypt, Ghana, Guinea, Hungary, Iran, Jordan, Libya, Madagascar, Mauritania, Mongolia, North Korea, Poland, Romania, Sierra Leon, Sudan, Syria, Upper Volta, USSR, and Vietnam. Together these countries have pledged to promote peace and stability throughout the World and we will work hard to acomplish that goal.

    The USSR pledges to support any nation hurt by the rash actions of the West that are aimed at throwing the working class of the world into poverty. We will always support all nations fighting for equality and liberty and are open to any and all cooperation with all countries of the World.
     
  12. Symphony D.

    Symphony D. Deity

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    "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." - Alexis de Tocqueville

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    Both the Emperor and the representatives of the Japanese government heavily condemn the actions of the Soviet government in its unilateral and unprovoked invasion of Yugoslavia, and caution the world that this is simply another example of Moscow's desire to rule all 'Communist' nations with an iron fist - and indeed, the whole of the world. We fully support the embargo proposed by the United States, and repeat its call to the free world to follow suit.
     
  13. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    Blah blah blah, I'm a Commie, look at my commie symbol, blah blah blah NATO is evil blah blah blah me and my 3rd world buddies shall stay strong together blah blah blah. ;)
     
  14. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    Furthermore, we have decided against an embargo against the whole of the Comintern.

    Only the USSR shall be targetted.
     
  15. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    Antisocialist forces? You turn and twist like a twisty turny thing. Yugoslavia was a Social Democracy, before your untimely arrival. If you are here to serve the people and the socialist revolution, let us hold an election to see if they would like you to remain.
     
  16. Stormbringer

    Stormbringer The Brick and The Rose

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    Panda...I really ask you to learn the basics of international organizations. The Comintern, or Communist International, is a forum for all Communist Parties in the world, including those in non-Communist countries, to come and share ideas, strategy, etc. It is not an alliance of nations and there are no countries represented since some countries have more than one party attending the conferences. If you want to refer to a Communist alliance, the only one that really exists is the Warsaw Pact.
     
  17. Stormbringer

    Stormbringer The Brick and The Rose

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    Do not worry Cleric, and election will be held and I assure you, the people would love for me to stay.
     
  18. Insane_Panda

    Insane_Panda Deity

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    Well, in practice it might be a "forum" but with you controlling all of its spending, it is quite difficult to call it anything but a Soviet dominated alliance. Furthermore, Goober has stated that in the treaties of each organization, each member is bound to protect eachother if one comes under attack.

    I don't know about you, but that sounds somewhat like an alliance to me ;)
     
  19. Stormbringer

    Stormbringer The Brick and The Rose

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    I dont know what Goober put in the treaties, but Comintern is an organization of Political Parties, not of Countries, spends pretty much no money, and obviously has no forces since it is political parties. Warsaw Pact on the other hand is an alliance where I control the military and economies of the countries, there you are correct, it is a Soviet-dominated alliance.
     
  20. TerrisH

    TerrisH Mischief?

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    I predict by 1977 in this NES, we will eather have a Nucalr War, or atleast a Very Intense Conventional War in a halfdozen puppet nations.

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    Costa Rica Officaly Condems the USSR's actions in Yugoslavia. We are currently Preparing to Join the USA's Embargo of the USSR.
     

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