Google looses right to be forgotten case in EU

[Commodore]

Perhaps I made too broad of a statement or wasn't specific enough. I meant accountability in public life.

That's not what you said though. You asked if I would be okay living next to a white supremesist or former death-squad member. Neither one of those things have anything to do with someone's public life. They are private matters that you have no business knowing unless it becomes an active, direct threat to you or your family.

My disgusting sex habits might prove interesting to some, but are rather unimportant in the grand scheme of things. You know people by who they are and what they did.

No, you know people by talking to them and getting to know them, not by skulking around the internet trying to gather information on strangers like some creepy stalker. And if someone doesn't want to reveal certain aspects of their life to you, then you need to accept that and quit trying to be "in the know" about everything. Because you have absolutely no right to any information about an individual unless that individual chooses to reveal that information to you. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp?

Even so what I said about common law still being in effect, we know deep down human rights and civil liberties are convenient BS, you really have no rights you can't defend yourself or more reasonably with a group of close people you can trust because you share/know the essential information between you.

You are right, we only have the rights we can successfully defend. That's why we established laws and courts; to make it a lot easier for the individual citizen to defend themselves without having to form a militia.

Honesty. When people hoard secrets and information and wealth they are not doing so in the interest of the common people, they are doing it to keep their asses comfy and secure or push their own agendas. All your information is networked in some shape or fashion. Right now, who has access to it? Government groups and occasionally a hacker collective when they bust a treasure chest. They can make diagrams, connect the dots, they know who's who and where with what and when. What can you know? Nothing, unless you get your hands dirty.

Me choosing to not reveal every last little detail of my life to the entire world does not mean I am being dishonest. Also, you still seem to be stuck on the ridiculous idea that only nefarious evil-doers and shady government agents are the only ones who keep secrets. This is patently false. I have plenty of secrets I would like to keep from the world. None of them have anything to do with any bad things I have done, they are just things that I feel the general public doesn't have a right to know about me.

You also didn't answer my question so I'll ask it again: What makes you think you have the right to look up someone's records? What authority do you have that allows you to be privy to every detail of someone's life?

 

[Kozmos]

All authority is arbitrary in the end. Right to privacy is also something we have made up. But wait nowadays we have executive power and laws derived from the mandate of the masses, except half of the time you have a government that you didn't vote for and those you vote for don't do what you voted for most of the time. Business and governments have access to most of your data, why not the people too. Argue how you will that privacy should be protected more, that data security is paramount, but its a losing war and it should be shifted so we can use that power as a people to have a transparent government and economy. I don't think we'll ever agree on this, but I still like you as a poster and respect your opinion.

 

[Commodore]

All authority is arbitrary in the end. Right to privacy is also something we have made up. But wait nowadays we have executive power and laws derived from the mandate of the masses, except half of the time you have a government that you didn't vote for and those you vote for don't do what you voted for most of the time. Business and governments have access to most of your data, why not the people too. Argue how you will that privacy should be protected more, that data security is paramount, but its a losing war and it should be shifted so we can use that power as a people to have a transparent government and economy. I don't think we'll ever agree on this, but I still like you as a poster and respect your opinion.

But the individual citizen is no more trustworthy than a government or a corporation. Thus I do not support my personal information being available to the average citizen anymore than I support governments or businesses from being able to do it.

And the fight for privacy is not a losing battle. The point is not for complete data security, but to make it as difficult as possible to obtain that information to discourage those who would use it for less than noble purposes. Now I 'm talking about a corporation who uses your data to send you spam emails; I'm talking about identity theives or those criminals posing as freedom fighters known as Anonymous. Or the crazy ex-husband who wants to get revenge on his ex-wife for leaving him. There are way too many dangerous people out there to allow free unrestricted access to everyone's personal information.

 

[Hygro]

This is why America has this thing called Freedom and Europe does not.

 

[Silurian]

This is why America has this thing called Freedom and Europe does not.

Well you do not have the freedom to be foregotten.