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Hatshepsut (God's Wife of Amun) - Leader Discussion

And when do we see those screens of the leader facing the player?
Looks like when making or receiving proposals, including first meetings.
 
Ah, the bit I caught of the stream made it look like first meetings had the leaders facing each other.
Oh, sorry, I read your post backwards. Yeah, it looks like the only time the leader will face the player is in the actually screen with the list of proposals. :(
 
So leaders have starting bias, will civs have starting bias too? If not, some civs might want to stick to its historical choice.
For example, Egypt have bonus on navigable rivers so they want Hatshepsut's starting bias.
 
Egypt also has an inherent Navigable River starting bias.
 
Speaking of which, how to starting biases work? Do the biases compound, so that if both leader and civ have Navigable Rivers as a starting bias, they are much much more likely to get a good river spot? If you have a leader with a very different set of biases than their civ, will it try to find you a spot that satisfies all the biases, or will it simply pick one or two to satisfy and each restart will produce a dramatically different start?
 
Speaking of which, how to starting biases work? Do the biases compound, so that if both leader and civ have Navigable Rivers as a starting bias, they are much much more likely to get a good river spot? If you have a leader with a very different set of biases than their civ, will it try to find you a spot that satisfies all the biases, or will it simply pick one or two to satisfy and each restart will produce a dramatically different start?
If I had to guess, I don’t think the biases will compound but I do think the game would try to find you a spot that satisfies both biases.
 
Nice to hear the familiar First Look narrator voice. But why isn't there more about Hatshepsut the historical leader in the video? Past First Looks had more of that.
 
Nice to hear the familiar First Look narrator voice. But why isn't there more about Hatshepsut the historical leader in the video? Past First Looks had more of that.
These do feel like they have less of a historical focus and more of a mechanical focus.
 
Hatshepsut and Egypt have identical start biases. I suppose that’s to emphasize their synergy more than anything else; the Desert bias doesn’t benefit Hatshepsut at all otherwise.
 
Hatshepsut and Egypt have identical start biases. I suppose that’s to emphasize their synergy more than anything else; the Desert bias doesn’t benefit Hatshepsut at all otherwise.
It's also a nice historical nod (I notice Egypt rarely starts in the Desert in Civ6), and it segues into Songhai's abilities, too (and perhaps Abbasids').
 
It's also a nice historical nod (I notice Egypt rarely starts in the Desert in Civ6), and it segues into Songhai's abilities, too (and perhaps Abbasids').
Oh that’s a good point about potential synergy with later choices.

In terms of historical nods, that’s a markedly different approach from Civ 6 where all start biases were related to gameplay (eg, no Arabia desert bias since their setup has nothing to do with desert terrain).
 
Nice to hear the familiar First Look narrator voice. But why isn't there more about Hatshepsut the historical leader in the video? Past First Looks had more of that.

These do feel like they have less of a historical focus and more of a mechanical focus.
Past First Looks were both for civ AND leader... This time it's leader only... I guess we'll also get first looks for civs ?
 
Past First Looks were both for civ AND leader... This time it's leader only... I guess we'll also get first looks for civs ?
FXS_Sar said we'd get civ info in the blog posts with First Looks only for leaders.
 
FXS_Sar said we'd get civ info in the blog posts with First Looks only for leaders.
A choice that I can't fully comprehend. Maybe I'm an outlier (as I don't care much for having leaders at all), but I'm much more interested in the civs than the leader. And given the details they are putting into each civ (graphics, uniques, bonuses, civics, wonders, traditions), it seems that they would have to show more for the civs as well. In contrast, leaders don't offer that much (except if they would have unique promotions, but I guess they would have showed them if it was the case).
 
A choice that I can't fully comprehend. Maybe I'm an outlier (as I don't care much for having leaders at all), but I'm much more interested in the civs than the leader. And given the details they are putting into each civ (graphics, uniques, bonuses, civics, wonders, traditions), it seems that they would have to show more for the civs as well. In contrast, leaders don't offer that much (except if they would have unique promotions, but I guess they would have showed them if it was the case).
This choice reflects the change in focus. Player identities are now fully in the leaders, so they get the fancy marketing. Civs are just the trappings that the leaders are adorned with.

I'll admit the player = leader thing trips me up a bit too. In previous games, my mental narrative is that I'm the avatar of Rome, not Trajan or Julius. So, it's taking a bit of effort for me to adjust my mindset.
 
I'll admit the player = leader thing trips me up a bit too. In previous games, my mental narrative is that I'm the avatar of Rome, not Trajan or Julius. So, it's taking a bit of effort for me to adjust my mindset.

Same here. In my head, I've never been the leader I'm playing. I don't really even pay attention to that. Having a CK3 style skills progression for my leader (only permanent, not just until I'm assassinated in my sleep) is going to be an adjustment.

On the other hand, my neighbours very much are the leaders I'm playing against. But I'm not sure I'm loving that they stay the same while their underlying culture changes. I feel like I'd welcome the leaders changing on Era transition.

On the other, other hand, being able to depict Civs for whom we don't have good leader choices is awesome. On the other, other, other hand, will they be able to build unique Great Person lists for those civs?

I've run out of appendages to refer to as "hand", so I'll stop now.
 
I had a dream last night that Hatshepsut was replaced by Merneith...which would be a strange choice but not the worst one.
 
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