Isabella - Leader Discussion

I was really not expecting her to return with near-exact replicas of her Civ 5 bonuses. I don't like how RNG-dependent it is. I appreciate the leader model for Isabella though.
Not as bad as the Original.

She has Naval bonuses which are quite strong regardless, and while it is RNG, because you are not guaranteed to have a Natural Wonder nearby, this time around she doesn't gain more money for being the first to discover it, merely discovering them grants a nice sum (300 on your home land, and 600 on distant lands)
 
Not as bad as the Original.

She has Naval bonuses which are quite strong regardless, and while it is RNG, because you are not guaranteed to have a Natural Wonder nearby, this time around she doesn't gain more money for being the first to discover it, merely discovering them grants a nice sum (300 on your home land, and 600 on distant lands)
She does have a starting bias for Natural Wonders, so she at least has a decent chance of starting near one.

Especially when you remember that map scripts build you a starting area based on your bias then make the rest of the map around it.
 
Not as bad as the Original.

She has Naval bonuses which are quite strong regardless, and while it is RNG, because you are not guaranteed to have a Natural Wonder nearby, this time around she doesn't gain more money for being the first to discover it, merely discovering them grants a nice sum (300 on your home land, and 600 on distant lands)
The naval aspect doesn't help that much, unless all maps in Civ VII will have water (and I'm not sure if that's been confirmed yet). In that respect too she's a grab-bag of RNG elements. Fun, but RNG is also chaos.
 
The naval aspect doesn't help that much, unless all maps in Civ VII will have water (and I'm not sure if that's been confirmed yet). In that respect too she's a grab-bag of RNG elements. Fun, but RNG is also chaos.
I mean any leader tends to usually depend on that if you aret his picky...
 
I mean any leader tends to usually depend on that if you aret his picky...
I disagree, and I dislike the addition of "picky". This isn't about pickiness. It's about what's more plentiful in Civ games and what has tended to be the focus of Civ games in the past: land. Water has always had less interactivity overall. Some leaders in Civ 7 have flat bonuses that apply more widely than "water". Land is more plentiful overall, and that's always been true in Civ games.
 
The naval aspect doesn't help that much, unless all maps in Civ VII will have water (and I'm not sure if that's been confirmed yet). In that respect too she's a grab-bag of RNG elements. Fun, but RNG is also chaos.
Based on the info we have so far, we can strongly believe that Pangaea and one-landmass map configurations are gone. Cross-ocean exploration is now an integral part of the Exploration era gameplay. Unless you are - wait for it - the Mongols.
 
Based on the info we have so far, we can strongly believe that Pangaea and one-landmass map configurations are gone. Cross-ocean exploration is now an integral part of the Exploration era gameplay. Unless you are - wait for it - the Mongols.
And even for them, if they want to win the Econ Legacy, they need to go overseas.
 
I really, really like the fact that she is speaking with a Medieval Castilian pronounciation. That's much more appropriate than her portrayal in CIV5, where she spoke contemporary European Spanish.
Yeah, the first thing I heard was “creziente”—love the late medieval/early modern Spanish.
 
Nobody expects that :p
I'm pretty sure as of 2024 the Inquisiton has looped all the way back from Python Inquisition to Historical Inquisition: everyone can see the jokes coming thirty days ahead.
 
Disappointed she's a brunette again, and the wimple is a little anachronistic--should be a hennin or mantilla. Love the houppelande, though.
Wouldn't a hennin be rather scandalous for a devout Catholic queen? Or have I an exaggerated impression of the clergy's reaction to that particular headgear?

Also is it me or are her hands over-large?
 
Wouldn't a hennin be rather scandalous for a devout Catholic queen? Or have I an exaggerated impression of the clergy's reaction to that particular headgear?

Also is it me or are her hands over-large?
Hennins with a big overhead frame were not adopted much in spanish fashion, and if you consider a “modern” mantilla with associated comb, it would be anachronistic also, but yes, the veil at the time of isabella would be much more transparent than in a wimple, even if set-up in a similar way.
 
Is this the first leader we've seen with an age-variable leader ability?

I thought one of the design principles was that civs could have age-specific abilities (they're only in one age, so that's fine) but that leader abilities would be generally useful across the whole game (they're in all 3 ages).

Isabella's specials are applicable to all 3 ages, so wouldn't directly violate that principle, but the natural wonder ability varies over time:
  • 300 gold in the Antiquity age for finding new Natural Wonders in your starting area (Homelands)
  • 600 gold in the Exploration age for finding new Natural Wonders in the Distant Lands. Is this a buff in this age, or is gold generally 2x as easy to get in the Exploration age such that the doubling only keeps the bonus equivalent?
  • ??? in the Modern age - will there be anything new to find this age, or will it just be cleaning up any missed Natural Wonders from the prior age
 
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