Herman Cain is schizophrenic?

Incorrect. I will make the assumption that you think that randomly killing people is murder, even if you are not religious. Likewise, I find the killing of babies to be murder. Is that really so religious?

Foetuses aren't babies or people. No matter how much the anti-abortionists try, they simply fail to make their case on other than religious grounds... wait, scratch that last part, they fail to make their case, period.

Ah, so now we're going to use stereotypes. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

No - as far as I know, all the Republican presidential candidates believe in God. Is that correct or not? I admit I don't follow your politics that much, but whenever I tune it, I hear the word God in every second sentence they utter.

You consider the taking of human life to be murder unless in cases of self-defense to be murder, right? Bam, that's what abortion is in a nutshell.

Human life includes things like human kidneys, appendix, gallbladder, etc. These things are being "murdered" on daily basis. I don't see much difference there.

As I said, I'm a religious person, and "immortal souls etc." has no meaning to me when dealing with abortions. Quite frankly, I've never heard anyone use that as a reason.

Doesn't matter, your reason for being against abortions and equating them with murder is motivated by your religious views. Or do you have any other justification for considering lumps of undifferentiated tissue which can't survive outside the body of the mother, much less develop into something resembling a human being, as "babies"?
 
Foetuses aren't babies or people. No matter how much the anti-abortionists try, they simply fail to make their case on other than religious grounds... wait, scratch that last part, they fail to make their case, period.



No - as far as I know, all the Republican presidential candidates believe in God. Is that correct or not? I admit I don't follow your politics that much, but whenever I tune it, I hear the word God in every second sentence they utter.



Human life includes things like human kidneys, appendix, gallbladder, etc. These things are being "murdered" on daily basis. I don't see much difference there.



Doesn't matter, your reason for being against abortions and equating them with murder is motivated by your religious views. Or do you have any other justification for considering lumps of undifferentiated tissue which can't survive outside the body of the mother, much less develop into something resembling a human being, as "babies"?
Can you say that fetuses are "an early stage of a human being?" Pre-human? Soon to be human? Not human? Human to be? ...
 
Condemning women who use abortion is "Brave"? Amazing.

Nope, I meant the other thing I said. He does not believe the government should criminalise abortion, he is a republican candidate he needs social conservative votes to get the nomination - how do you think this is going to help his chances?
On the issue of being a slippery eel changing your opinions to get nominated, he ain't a Romney :P
 
Can you say that fetuses are "an early stage of a human being?" Pre-human? Soon to be human? Not human? Human to be? ...

It doesn't really matter. For me the line is where the foetus can survive outside the body of the mother without severe damage/growth defects, etc. That's a far more reasonable position that claiming that a lump of cells or an embryo that looks more like a fish than a human can be legally equated to a fully developed human being.
 
Maybe he's a libertarian. They can be against abortion personally, and not believe it's the government's job to interfere with it.

you give an obviously confused guy too much credit! :lol:

in one breath he's a libertarian at the inhale but suddenly becomes in favor of government nosing at the exhale. even the studio audience are confused. listen carefully how the first few claps are abbreviated midway.

priceless! :lol:

America deserves someone better!
 
It doesn't really matter. For me the line is where the foetus can survive outside the body of the mother without severe damage/growth defects, etc. That's a far more reasonable position that claiming that a lump of cells or an embryo that looks more like a fish than a human can be legally equated to a fully developed human being.
So your definition of a human being is a fully developed human being?
 
Eww. I think I have to take a shower after watching that clip. I haven't seen Olberman in a while and I forgot how icky he is.
 
Yes. And by that I don't mean "adult", in case someone decides to wilfully misinterpret what I said.
Fair enough. :mischief:

So far we got "fully developed adult" and "fully developed child." Can I say fully developed fetus?
 
My being a Christian has no effect on when I think life begins. Life begins at conception because that is when the baby begins to grow.
Funny but I didn't talk about you :rolleyes:
 
Cain just hasn't prepped on anything other than spouting a distorted sppin on 9-9-9. He knows he must come across as pro-life and he knows that he must come across as libertarian. He just hasn't prepped enough to know when one prevails over the other as far as how he needs to come across.

Never fret, though, his fans at freerepublic are spinning his statements into being that the government shouldn't interfere with a woman's right to choose to keep a child or give it up for adoption.
 
Foetuses aren't babies or people. No matter how much the anti-abortionists try, they simply fail to make their case on other than religious grounds... wait, scratch that last part, they fail to make their case, period.
Fun fact: "Fetus" is Latin for "offspring". We all know that babies are human offspring, so in effect, you're saying that babies aren't babies. That's quite interesting.

No - as far as I know, all the Republican presidential candidates believe in God. Is that correct or not?
That is correct. However, all Democrats that ran for President is '08 were Christians as well, as far as I know. And yet, Dick Durbin happens to be with their party. So, shall we stereotype the Republicans for the sake of convenience?

I admit I don't follow your politics that much, but whenever I tune it, I hear the word God in every second sentence they utter.
Tune what? After all, if you're going to be tuning into clips of Republicans being asked what their religious beliefs are, then yeah, you're going to hear about God. However, that doesn't make every Republican in the country a Christian.

Human life includes things like human kidneys, appendix, gallbladder, etc. These things are being "murdered" on daily basis. I don't see much difference there.
Actually, no, since they aren't offspring.

Doesn't matter, your reason for being against abortions and equating them with murder is motivated by your religious views.
I would very much like to know how you can know more about my views about abortion than I do.

Or do you have any other justification for considering lumps of undifferentiated tissue which can't survive outside the body of the mother, much less develop into something resembling a human being, as "babies"?
Yes. It's because they aren't simply lumps of tissue. The fetus is very much alive. And whether it can survive outside the mother's womb makes no difference. Human life is human life, no matter where it can or cannot survive.

It doesn't really matter. For me the line is where the foetus can survive outside the body of the mother without severe damage/growth defects, etc. That's a far more reasonable position that claiming that a lump of cells or an embryo that looks more like a fish than a human can be legally equated to a fully developed human being.
For your information, before I was born, my parents had a baby. A deformed baby. I won't go into the details of what it looked like, but the baby died five minutes after birth. Now going off of how you say that a baby is not a baby until it can survive out of the mother's womb, would you say that that the deformed baby my parents had was not a baby after all?

Funny but I didn't talk about you :rolleyes:
Oh, so this isn't a public discussion? Perhaps you should you should put a sign on your posts that says not to respond to you if someone disagrees with what you said. :rolleyes:
 
Fun fact: "Fetus" is Latin for "offspring", and we all know that babies are offspring. So in effect, you're saying that babies aren't babies. That's quite interesting.
As we all well know whenever a hippopotamus leaves the river and lives on land it is identical to every other horse.
A word is defined by its definition, not its etymology.

It's because they aren't simply lumps of tissue.
Why not?
 
Oh, so this isn't a public discussion? Perhaps you should you should put a sign on your posts that says not to respond to you if someone disagrees with what you said. :rolleyes:
Yes, but please apply basic logic. If I make a statement about how some Christians bring religion into the discussion, you can't refute it by saying "I'm a Christian and I don't".
 
For your information, before I was born, my parents had a baby. A deformed baby. I won't go into the details of what it looked like, but the baby died five minutes after birth. Now going off of how you say that a baby is not a baby until it can survive out of the mother's womb, would you say that that the deformed baby my parents had was not a baby after all?

First of all, anecdotal "evidence."

Second of all, you're confusing definitions. A fetus can never survive outside of the mother, that is the point he is trying to make here - it fundamentally requires the biological support of the womb in order to function in any meaningful way. Like an organ, if the fetus is removed, it will die. All fetuses suffer this restriction.

A baby, on the other hand, newborn or non-, can survive outside of the mother's womb, although it should be noted that does not mean it will. For the same reason that a man who dies of genetic disease 40 years after he is born is yet not a fetus, the deformed baby that your mother had before you was a baby the moment it left the womb as a moreorless self-sufficient organism. That it couldn't survive is irrelevant, for at that point remaining in the womb would have done it no good. Its time as a fetus was up, and its time as a fully-developed human being was, unfortunately, cut short.
 
No abortion for 9 months, after which the conceived being has 9 minutes to pay a 9% sales tax on the medical bills to date or get put on death row.
 
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